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    • ?
      A Former User
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      Check this!! http://aws.amazon.com/workspaces/

      Kind of cool.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        It's been available in beta for a while, we've looked at it, very interesting stuff. We are currently discussing this on our internal Yammer channels because one of our team has been on it for a while. It is dedicated Windows Server 2008 R2 with RDS and the Windows 7 experience applied. Nice technology but not cheap in the least.

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        • ?
          A Former User
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          Cheaper than what i've found anywhere else from desktone or anyone like that.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
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            For a dual core experience, you are looking at $720/year. That includes a lot of great features, but that's more than the cost, double the cost, in fact, of a really nice, brand new desktop with enterprise support. For a fraction of the performance. Great network performance so there are certainly special cases for it, but for a normal user or company looking at VDI, this seems way too costly to reasonably consider.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @A Former User
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              @Hubtech said:

              Cheaper than what i've found anywhere else from desktone or anyone like that.

              But really expensive compared to alternatives, like having a desktop 🙂

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said:

                @Hubtech said:

                Cheaper than what i've found anywhere else from desktone or anyone like that.

                But really expensive compared to alternatives, like having a desktop 🙂

                Unless you're really concerned about keeping things in house, I don't understand deploying VDI due to cost factors alone.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                  @Dashrender said:

                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @Hubtech said:

                  Cheaper than what i've found anywhere else from desktone or anyone like that.

                  But really expensive compared to alternatives, like having a desktop 🙂

                  Unless you're really concerned about keeping things in house, I don't understand deploying VDI due to cost factors alone.

                  VDI is about overcoming limitations caused elsewhere. Otherwise traditional shared computing like RDS is more cost effective. But hosted VDI or even just traditional RDS (shared) is very costly and you need special cases to make it make sense.

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                  • ?
                    A Former User
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                    like accessing EMR remotely?

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @A Former User
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                      @Hubtech said:

                      like accessing EMR remotely?

                      Only if the EMR is legacy only and that would only make sense if the remote access system was internal, not hosted.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller
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                        And only make sense if they people accessing it don't have internal desktops to access.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          And only make sense if they people accessing it don't have internal desktops to access.

                          Do you mean that you would expect people to remote into their desktops at their office using something like Pertino or Logmein?

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                            A Former User @Dashrender
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                            @Dashrender said:

                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            And only make sense if they people accessing it don't have internal desktops to access.

                            Do you mean that you would expect people to remote into their desktops at their office using something like Pertino or Logmein?

                            that's how i read it.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                              @Dashrender said:

                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              And only make sense if they people accessing it don't have internal desktops to access.

                              Do you mean that you would expect people to remote into their desktops at their office using something like Pertino or Logmein?

                              Well Pertino is a VPN, not a remote access technology. But Remote Desktop, LogMeIn, PCoIP, NX, 2X, XenApp, etc. Same way that they access Amazon Workspaces or any VDI/RDS.

                              That's how Wall St. firms do it, for example. They do the cost analysis and know that because they own the desktop already it is cheaper to have people remote to those rather than have RDS too.

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                              • ?
                                A Former User @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                @Dashrender said:

                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                And only make sense if they people accessing it don't have internal desktops to access.

                                Do you mean that you would expect people to remote into their desktops at their office using something like Pertino or Logmein?

                                Well Pertino is a VPN, not a remote access technology. But Remote Desktop, LogMeIn, PCoIP, NX, 2X, XenApp, etc. Same way that they access Amazon Workspaces or any VDI/RDS.

                                That's how Wall St. firms do it, for example. They do the cost analysis and know that because they own the desktop already it is cheaper to have people remote to those rather than have RDS too.

                                cool. thanks scott.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
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                                  What I have seen a lot of places do is stick a XenApp web gateway out front and use it to accelerate and manage access to a company full of desktops. This is extremely popular. Adds security, ease of use and performance without a huge overhead in cost and infrastructure.

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                                  • ?
                                    A Former User
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                                    say i had 10 users i wanted to xenapp up. what's hardware/licensing cost ish?

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @A Former User
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                                      @Hubtech said:

                                      say i had 10 users i wanted to xenapp up. what's hardware/licensing cost ish?

                                      XenApp is software so pure licensing costs. For ten users I think that it is really cheap. It's going past ten that it gets expensive, if I remember correctly and they have kept that licensing flat. SMBs rarely find value in it. So easy to do something else, like Pertino or OpenVPN.

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                                      • ?
                                        A Former User
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                                        so quicker easier would be just VPN and RDS.

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                                        • JaredBuschJ
                                          JaredBusch @A Former User
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                                          @Hubtech said:

                                          so quicker easier would be just VPN and RDS.
                                          Pertino and RDS in my opinion. I really do not think VPN is ever easier.

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                                          • DashrenderD
                                            Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller said:

                                            @Dashrender said:

                                            @scottalanmiller said:

                                            And only make sense if they people accessing it don't have internal desktops to access.

                                            Do you mean that you would expect people to remote into their desktops at their office using something like Pertino or Logmein?

                                            Well Pertino is a VPN, not a remote access technology. But Remote Desktop, LogMeIn, PCoIP, NX, 2X, XenApp, etc. Same way that they access Amazon Workspaces or any VDI/RDS.

                                            That's how Wall St. firms do it, for example. They do the cost analysis and know that because they own the desktop already it is cheaper to have people remote to those rather than have RDS too.

                                            Good to know I've been doing the same as the big wall street guys... hey wait.... lol

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