If you were deploying all new APs today, N or AC?
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@Dashrender said:
If the controller dies, we're sunk. I can't get another, Cisco won't overnight me a replacement.
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@Dashrender said:
@JaredBusch said:
@Dashrender said:
If I would have done that 8 years ago, and purchased N-Draft APs, my bill instead of being $25K would have been $40K+. Here I am 8 years later, and sure I could use N, but it wouldn't matter because the Wireless Switch and APs are EOLed from Cisco (primary reason to get rid of them) and I'm still running along mostly fine on G, and with my 100 Mb switches, N wouldn't really give me any real advantage. so I would have wasted $15K+.
IMO, EOL of hardware like this is no reason to replace.
If the hardware works and is not causing the business any other problems then there is no reason to change it just because it is EOL.
Do research, in order to be prepared to buy something in case of failure, but do not buy anything now.
If the controller dies, we're sunk. I can't get another, Cisco won't overnight me a replacement. I quite literally will be running to BB to buy some home routers to get us up and running that night, then ordering replacement equipment and installing it ASAP. 80% of our use is wireless, and we have a huge single point of failure (the wireless controller). While management (and I) were willing to deal with a day or less of downtime when a new one was being sent overnight, we no longer have that situation.
You can likely have Ubiquiti AP's overnighted from Amazon. higher end stuff you could get overnight from the company directly.
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@Dashrender said:
If the controller dies, we're sunk. I can't get another, Cisco won't overnight me a replacement. I quite literally will be running to BB to buy some home routers to get us up and running that night, then ordering replacement equipment and installing it ASAP. 80% of our use is wireless, and we have a huge single point of failure (the wireless controller). While management (and I) were willing to deal with a day or less of downtime when a new one was being sent overnight, we no longer have that situation.
That seems like a good reason to upgrade to me, lol... That would fall under preventative maintenance.
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@Dashrender said:
While management (and I) were willing to deal with a day or less of downtime when a new one was being sent overnight, we no longer have that situation.
Why not? You can replace Cisco overnight. What's the difference between getting Cisco replacements overnight versus moving away from Cisco overnight?
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@thecreativeone91 said:
You can likely have Ubiquiti AP's overnighted from Amazon. higher end stuff you could get overnight from the company directly.
Pretty much guaranteed. And a lot of gear, if you plan ahead and are in the right markets, can be same day from vendors like Ingram Micro.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
But the other two building don't have POE, so they both need a new/replacement solution very soon.
Why is PoE needed? Is it a business need or just a tech want? What's the financial driver there?
Depending on their restrictions in the area you might have to provide phones during power outages. If you don't have a building generator. PoE with a good UPS system is the best way.
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@dafyre said:
@Dashrender said:
If the controller dies, we're sunk. I can't get another, Cisco won't overnight me a replacement. I quite literally will be running to BB to buy some home routers to get us up and running that night, then ordering replacement equipment and installing it ASAP. 80% of our use is wireless, and we have a huge single point of failure (the wireless controller). While management (and I) were willing to deal with a day or less of downtime when a new one was being sent overnight, we no longer have that situation.
That seems like a good reason to upgrade to me, lol... That would fall under preventative maintenance.
How does replacing the APs fix the issue? You can upgrade overnight. If the upgrade fails, you fix overnight. What's the benefit of spending when nothing is wrong?
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
But the other two building don't have POE, so they both need a new/replacement solution very soon.
Why is PoE needed? Is it a business need or just a tech want? What's the financial driver there?
Depending on their restrictions in the area you might have to provide phones during power outages. If you don't have a building generator. PoE with a good UPS system is the best way.
Depends. Some places already have UPS at the desk and not in the DC. Most are in the DC and not at the desk, but both (and neither) happen.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
But the other two building don't have POE, so they both need a new/replacement solution very soon.
Why is PoE needed? Is it a business need or just a tech want? What's the financial driver there?
To deploy VOIP phones. If I don't use POE I have to either use a power injector or power bricks at the endpoint, assuming the phones support power bricks.
In some cases I need to ensure the phones say working even in a power outage, so those will need to be on UPS either through the switch or one near the phone.
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@Dashrender said:
While management (and I) were willing to deal with a day or less of downtime when a new one was being sent overnight, we no longer have that situation.
As others have said, with a day as acceptable downtime, you may think about just paying for overnight shipping as part of your DR plan. That would be a discussion with management to inform them enough to decide.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Why is PoE needed? Is it a business need or just a tech want? What's the financial driver there?
@Dashrender said:
To deploy VOIP phones. If I don't use POE I have to either use a power injector or power bricks at the endpoint, assuming the phones support power bricks.
In some cases I need to ensure the phones say working even in a power outage, so those will need to be on UPS either through the switch or one near the phone.I prefer PoE to make things easier, but if the cost difference is such a big driver for you, then you will seriously need to look at whether or not phone X, Y or Z need to be on during a power outage and make decisions from there.
Some of this decision will be made based on the model of Yealink you pick. the current T4X line do not ship with power injectors. SO you have to figure that cost into the phone purchase and that can quickly add up to enough to make the difference between a PoE switch and a non-PoE switch be minuscule.
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@JaredBusch said:
@Dashrender said:
While management (and I) were willing to deal with a day or less of downtime when a new one was being sent overnight, we no longer have that situation.
As others have said, with a day as acceptable downtime, you may think about just paying for overnight shipping as part of your DR plan. That would be a discussion with management to inform them enough to decide.
It's more than just the equipment though. In a straight swap from one piece of gear to the same gear, there is little to no setup needed, just import the old config on the new box, and you're back in business.
I suppose I could purchase a single Unifi AP, get the controller software up and running today with the VLANs I want, and then when I need, just overnight the other APs.
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@Dashrender said:
@JaredBusch said:
@Dashrender said:
While management (and I) were willing to deal with a day or less of downtime when a new one was being sent overnight, we no longer have that situation.
As others have said, with a day as acceptable downtime, you may think about just paying for overnight shipping as part of your DR plan. That would be a discussion with management to inform them enough to decide.
It's more than just the equipment though. In a straight swap from one piece of gear to the same gear, there is little to no setup needed, just import the old config on the new box, and you're back in business.
I suppose I could purchase a single Unifi AP, get the controller software up and running today with the VLANs I want, and then when I need, just overnight the other APs.
You know you don't even have to purchase an AP right? You can download the controller software and do all of these configs and VLANs right now if you wanted to.
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@Dashrender said:
I suppose I could purchase a single Unifi AP, get the controller software up and running today with the VLANs I want, and then when I need, just overnight the other APs.
Actually, you can go setup the controller right now. No AP purchase required. Obviously having one for testing would be better, but the controller is not tied to having an AP active.
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Or maybe buy one Unifi unit a month until they have all been replaced?
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@coliver said:
You know you don't even have to purchase an AP right? You can download the controller software and do all of these configs and VLANs right now if you wanted to.
type slower damn you!
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@Dashrender said:
Why is PoE needed? Is it a business need or just a tech want? What's the financial driver there?
To deploy VOIP phones. If I don't use POE I have to either use a power injector or power bricks at the endpoint, assuming the phones support power bricks.
In some cases I need to ensure the phones say working even in a power outage, so those will need to be on UPS either through the switch or one near the phone.
That's a generic overview. But how does that apply to you specifically? Where are your UPS located?
Power Injectors ARE PoE, not an alternative.
You state that you might need bricks, but you don't state if that is a positive, a negative or a draw.
You haven't mentioned (that I noticed) what phones you are considering. All 100Mb/s phones that I know come with bricks for free, so PoE is extra money, not less.
Have you done a cost comparison to see which is financially best?
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@JaredBusch Haha... I even made a few mistakes I had to correct.
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@JaredBusch said:
I prefer PoE to make things easier, but if the cost difference is such a big driver for you, then you will seriously need to look at whether or not phone X, Y or Z need to be on during a power outage and make decisions from there.
Me too, when it is my own money, that's what I am likely to do (like at home, see my latest article to such effect.) But when it is a business, you need to consider more factors like cost, where the UPS are, how it plays into the total strategy, etc..
PoE makes switch failover a little more tricky as you need more failover components.
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@Dashrender said:
It's more than just the equipment though. In a straight swap from one piece of gear to the same gear, there is little to no setup needed, just import the old config on the new box, and you're back in business.
Sure, but we are talking trivial effort, right? How much effort does installing APs take? How many do you have? Doesn't replacing them constitute that same effort anyway?
