Skype For Business Dropped
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I hate this "For Business" naming convention. Same with OneDrive and OneDrive for Business. Two products, similar names. It's confusing. Especially as I now have a OneDrive for Business account for my personal use. I'm not a business so my head wants to explode - they should call it "OneDrive For Business Or For People Who Just Like The Product But Aren't Actually A Business".
And after all this talk that Lync was being replaced with Skype.... then they just renamed Lync to "SfB" and keep them separate. So it's never being replaced and now Skype is just the old Lync that never worked. I agree, they've lost their minds with marketing their products and made everything impossible to discuss or support.
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Sounds like they've given up on the Lync to Skype conversion. This is just a marketing ploy. They promised that Skype was taking over and now it is not but in a way so that they can say that it is. This is worse than before rather than better.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I hate this "For Business" naming convention. Same with OneDrive and OneDrive for Business. Two products, similar names. It's confusing. Especially as I now have a OneDrive for Business account for my personal use. I'm not a business so my head wants to explode - they should call it "OneDrive For Business Or For People Who Just Like The Product But Aren't Actually A Business".
Does this mean you're like me then and just have business class version of O365? Can you even buy ODfB as a stand alone?
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@mlnews said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
I hate this "For Business" naming convention. Same with OneDrive and OneDrive for Business. Two products, similar names. It's confusing. Especially as I now have a OneDrive for Business account for my personal use. I'm not a business so my head wants to explode - they should call it "OneDrive For Business Or For People Who Just Like The Product But Aren't Actually A Business".
And after all this talk that Lync was being replaced with Skype.... then they just renamed Lync to "SfB" and keep them separate. So it's never being replaced and now Skype is just the old Lync that never worked. I agree, they've lost their minds with marketing their products and made everything impossible to discuss or support.
Wait, what? They are rebranding Skype to SfB? and killing Skype for end users and giving them Lync? WTF? why the need for separate products in the first place?
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Yes, Dash, you are just like me (at least in that way
)They are rebranding Lync to SfB. Old, consumer Skype remains the old Skype and is a separate product. At least that's my understanding.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Yes, Dash, you are just like me (at least in that way
)I just like Outlook/Exchange I need to just bite the cost bullet and move my wife over too - though she completely does not care. But she's currently using the ISP's email (that we both had been using for 20+ years) but I felt it was time to move for me.
They are rebranding Lync to SfB. Old, consumer Skype remains the old Skype and is a separate product. At least that's my understanding.
just sigh
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@Dashrender said:
Wait, what? They are rebranding Skype to SfB? and killing Skype for end users and giving them Lync? WTF? why the need for separate products in the first place?
Skype for Business uses an interface more like Lync but uses the Skype technologies rather than Lync, it's more Ideal for companies than the normal Skype product.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Skype for Business uses an interface more like Lync but uses the Skype technologies rather than Lync, it's more Ideal for companies than the normal Skype product.
Where is this specified? I want this to be true. As much as I have seen, it is simply a new name for the same thing. I was hoping to see some specific documentation stating what changed.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I hate this "For Business" naming convention. Same with OneDrive and OneDrive for Business. Two products, similar names. It's confusing. Especially as I now have a OneDrive for Business account for my personal use. I'm not a business so my head wants to explode - they should call it "OneDrive For Business Or For People Who Just Like The Product But Aren't Actually A Business".
OneDrive is really just a sync tool.
OneDrive for Business is Groove, renamed. In fact the executable is "groove.exe" still. It is SharePoint.
http://en.share-gate.com/blog/onedrive-for-business-vs-onedrive-know-the-difference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_SharePoint_Workspace
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@JaredBusch said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
Skype for Business uses an interface more like Lync but uses the Skype technologies rather than Lync, it's more Ideal for companies than the normal Skype product.
Where is this specified? I want this to be true. As much as I have seen, it is simply a new name for the same thing. I was hoping to see some specific documentation stating what changed.
They put it in a technet blog a few months ago, but I haven't seen anything about what actually happened with this release. It does require both a server upgrade (for on site) as well as a client upgrade so it's not just the client getting a slight re-branding but, not sure what else got changed.
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I guess that technet blog was wrong.
He says it's a branding change. And you can even uses the updated client with Lync 2013 server.
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Bleh
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@Dashrender said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
I hate this "For Business" naming convention. Same with OneDrive and OneDrive for Business. Two products, similar names. It's confusing. Especially as I now have a OneDrive for Business account for my personal use. I'm not a business so my head wants to explode - they should call it "OneDrive For Business Or For People Who Just Like The Product But Aren't Actually A Business".
Does this mean you're like me then and just have business class version of O365? Can you even buy ODfB as a stand alone?
ODfB is just a name for a part of SharePoint. Anytime you have SharePoint you have ODfB.
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@JaredBusch said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
Skype for Business uses an interface more like Lync but uses the Skype technologies rather than Lync, it's more Ideal for companies than the normal Skype product.
Where is this specified? I want this to be true. As much as I have seen, it is simply a new name for the same thing. I was hoping to see some specific documentation stating what changed.
That's how the announcement looks. Just a rebranding. Already Skype technology has been curtailed in the consumer Skype product to make it more like Lync. It doesn't look like Skype technology is staying, just the name so that they can hide Lync's shame.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@JaredBusch said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
Skype for Business uses an interface more like Lync but uses the Skype technologies rather than Lync, it's more Ideal for companies than the normal Skype product.
Where is this specified? I want this to be true. As much as I have seen, it is simply a new name for the same thing. I was hoping to see some specific documentation stating what changed.
They put it in a technet blog a few months ago, but I haven't seen anything about what actually happened with this release. It does require both a server upgrade (for on site) as well as a client upgrade so it's not just the client getting a slight re-branding but, not sure what else got changed.
Sounds like the same as Lync was. Lync was only recently a rebranding of MS Communicator because MS Comm had such a bad reputation that they needed to redirect people and make them think that it was a new product when really, it was just a new version number. You can legitimately think of Lync as having been MS Comm 2010 and MS Comm 2013 and Skype for Business as MS Comm 2015, it would seam.
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This falls under total Microsoft fail. After a year of telling us that they had moved to Skype internally and then failing to deliver Skype for clients! Microsoft has already admitted that Lync was a failure and that they don't use it themselves anymore because it is so bad. Now, after making a big deal that Skype was the future, they've decided to bail on Skype.
If Microsoft isn't eating their own dog food on this one, I doubt we should either.
