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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @MattSpeller
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      @MattSpeller said:

      @scottalanmiller Try Canadian employment law, you southerners treat employees like slaves! One of the reasons I have not moved to Seattle / Portland.

      Edit: and look to Europe for a much better system for employees

      It's not as bad as it often sounds. The law protects US workers far more than most workers are willing to leverage it. The sad part, though, is that the more than people allow it to happen the more than everyone else thinks that they don't have the rights that they do.

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        A Former User @s.hackleman
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        @s.hackleman said:

        Computer Employee overtime exemption.
        http://www.dol.gov/whd/overtime/fs17e_computer.pdf

        I always thought this little exemption was complete garbage. Does any other country do this?

        That only means you can be FLSA Exempt, not that you automatically are. I've never been an FLSA exempt employee. There are minimum pay per hour of $27.63 for that as well, which is why I haven't been an exempt employee.

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        • s.hacklemanS
          s.hackleman @A Former User
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          @thecreativeone91 I have fallen close to this grey area in the past. I just don't understand why working on a computer should make a difference from a federal labor law standpoint.

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          • ?
            A Former User @s.hackleman
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            @s.hackleman said:

            @thecreativeone91 I have fallen close to this grey area in the past. I just don't understand why working on a computer should make a difference from a federal labor law standpoint.

            It's because only certain types of jobs can be exempt (salaried employees) There's a full list here: http://www.dol.gov/elaws/esa/flsa/screen75.asp

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @s.hackleman
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              @s.hackleman said:

              @thecreativeone91 I have fallen close to this grey area in the past. I just don't understand why working on a computer should make a difference from a federal labor law standpoint.

              It's the "anti white collar" employment laws. White collar jobs are specifically punished compared to blue collar ones in most cases.

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                A Former User @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said:

                @s.hackleman said:

                @thecreativeone91 I have fallen close to this grey area in the past. I just don't understand why working on a computer should make a difference from a federal labor law standpoint.

                It's the "anti white collar" employment laws. White collar jobs are specifically punished compared to blue collar ones in most cases.

                It's gotta suck worse for farm hands though.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @A Former User
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                  @thecreativeone91 said:

                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @s.hackleman said:

                  @thecreativeone91 I have fallen close to this grey area in the past. I just don't understand why working on a computer should make a difference from a federal labor law standpoint.

                  It's the "anti white collar" employment laws. White collar jobs are specifically punished compared to blue collar ones in most cases.

                  It's gotta suck worse for farm hands though.

                  That's generally true. I come from farm country and they have it hard. But when you compare to electricians or plumbers who often get extensive breaks, guaranteed overtime, high pay, often can hold contracts ransom, aren't living in fear of losing their jobs for not producing visible productivity every second of every day, don't have to explain and defend their value all day long, don't have to spend tons of free time working hard just to stay abreast of their field, don't get paged out while on vacation.... IT has it pretty hard.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
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                    You know though, I know a lot of farmers that think that farming is nicer than IT.

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                    • ?
                      A Former User
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                      Ugh. At the county I had to write an monthly essay to "defend my time" to justify why I was working, why the should pay me, and what I accomplished during the month. It sucked. especially in months you may not have tangible results, when testing things and planning.

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                      • MattSpellerM
                        MattSpeller @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        You know though, I know a lot of farmers that think that farming is nicer than IT.

                        More than once I've pondered throwing my career to the wind and going back to college.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @MattSpeller
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                          @MattSpeller said:

                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          You know though, I know a lot of farmers that think that farming is nicer than IT.

                          More than once I've pondered throwing my career to the wind and going back to college.

                          What good career does college help with?

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                            A Former User
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                            Nursing, Doctors, Accountants, CPAs, etc

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                              A Former User @A Former User
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                              @Hubtech Engineers of any flavor.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @A Former User
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                                @Hubtech said:

                                Nursing, Doctors, Accountants, CPAs, etc

                                All, to me, examples of crappy jobs.

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                                  A Former User
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                                  oh. then nevermind. sorry to all those schmucks who have them ey!!!??

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @A Former User
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                                    @Hubtech said:

                                    @Hubtech Engineers of any flavor.

                                    Engineers favour degrees but do not require them. I came from an engineering background and engineers are not a "government union" like the others mentioned and can become engineers without a degree. At least in the US, there is no college requirement for engineering.

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                                      A Former User @A Former User
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                                      @Hubtech said:

                                      oh. then nevermind. sorry to all those schmucks who have them ey!!!??

                                      Man, Why do I go to the doctor then? Why have an engineer spec a house?

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                                        A Former User @scottalanmiller
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                                        @scottalanmiller said:

                                        @Hubtech said:

                                        @Hubtech Engineers of any flavor.

                                        Engineers favour degrees but do not require them. I came from an engineering background and engineers are not a "government union" like the others mentioned and can become engineers without a degree. At least in the US, there is no college requirement for engineering.

                                        Most states require Civil Engineers to have a bachelors degree and pass state certification.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @A Former User
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                                          @Hubtech said:

                                          oh. then nevermind. sorry to all those schmucks who have them ey!!!??

                                          Well my whole point was what GOOD job requires a degree? Tons of bad jobs require a degree - basically all ones where you are forced to be a "union" worker with the government protecting your job because the job fails to stand on its own in the US.

                                          Nursing does not require a degree, BTW, it is only because of the massive surplus of nurses out of work and getting degrees to make themselves more employable have created a market where you "need" a degree just because there is little way to differentiate yourself from others in your field.

                                          That's one of the things that make all of these jobs suck - they are all "wellfare" jobs. Basically you buy a degree and the government "owes" you a job by way of guaranteeing only people who paid to get the degree get the limited jobs. These jobs lack the fulfillment that what, to me, any good job would offer.

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                                          • MattSpellerM
                                            MattSpeller @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller said:

                                            What good career does college help with?

                                            At some point, the definition of good needs to be explored. While I have a good career by most measures, I find myself looking for something I'm passionate about. I seem to be unable to get to that point in IT, despite the fact that I deeply enjoy a lot of parts of it. So I need to think carefully about how to find in IT what I'm passionate about or explore new careers that might generate that passion as well.

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