FiOS Router Issues and Non-Technical Landlords

scottalanmiller

Let's assume for a moment that it was the apt manager who was having these problems... what TOS is he breaking? Torrents themselves are not illegal, they can be used for illegal things sure.. so can Cash... should cash be outlawed (yeah I know some in the government think it should be)?

and are you saying he doesn't have legal right to use the internet because he's a sub-tenant of the one who's paying for the service?
I'm guessing that internet access is part of his lease agreement, and as such is the responsibility of the landlord to solve any fees that should be paid for having sub-tenants on the internet connection.
Unless I've missed a post somewhere here where AJ says he's stealing access from his landlord.

AJ isn't stealing anything, his landlord is. That was covered in another thread. He has a tenant sharing his connection - which is theft under the FiOS TOS.

thanksajdotcom

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

Let's assume for a moment that it was the apt manager who was having these problems... what TOS is he breaking? Torrents themselves are not illegal, they can be used for illegal things sure.. so can Cash... should cash be outlawed (yeah I know some in the government think it should be)?

and are you saying he doesn't have legal right to use the internet because he's a sub-tenant of the one who's paying for the service?
I'm guessing that internet access is part of his lease agreement, and as such is the responsibility of the landlord to solve any fees that should be paid for having sub-tenants on the internet connection.
Unless I've missed a post somewhere here where AJ says he's stealing access from his landlord.

AJ isn't stealing anything, his landlord is. That was covered in another thread. He has a tenant sharing his connection - which is theft under the FiOS TOS.

I would very much like to see where it says that.

@thanksajdotcom

http://www.verizon.com/idc/groups/public/documents/adacct/verizon_internet_tos_121614.pdf

JaredBusch

@thanksajdotcom with highlights. Took 5 seconds on google, 10 seconds on Verizon. 30 seconds to highlight it all. Now stop being stupid.

tos

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

Let's assume for a moment that it was the apt manager who was having these problems... what TOS is he breaking? Torrents themselves are not illegal, they can be used for illegal things sure.. so can Cash... should cash be outlawed (yeah I know some in the government think it should be)?

and are you saying he doesn't have legal right to use the internet because he's a sub-tenant of the one who's paying for the service?
I'm guessing that internet access is part of his lease agreement, and as such is the responsibility of the landlord to solve any fees that should be paid for having sub-tenants on the internet connection.
Unless I've missed a post somewhere here where AJ says he's stealing access from his landlord.

AJ isn't stealing anything, his landlord is. That was covered in another thread. He has a tenant sharing his connection - which is theft under the FiOS TOS.

I wonder if one could argue that AJ is a roommate and not a sub-tenant, does that require that AJ be on the original lease/purchase agreement/whatever?

thanksajdotcom

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

Let's assume for a moment that it was the apt manager who was having these problems... what TOS is he breaking? Torrents themselves are not illegal, they can be used for illegal things sure.. so can Cash... should cash be outlawed (yeah I know some in the government think it should be)?

and are you saying he doesn't have legal right to use the internet because he's a sub-tenant of the one who's paying for the service?
I'm guessing that internet access is part of his lease agreement, and as such is the responsibility of the landlord to solve any fees that should be paid for having sub-tenants on the internet connection.
Unless I've missed a post somewhere here where AJ says he's stealing access from his landlord.

AJ isn't stealing anything, his landlord is. That was covered in another thread. He has a tenant sharing his connection - which is theft under the FiOS TOS.

I wonder if one could argue that AJ is a roommate and not a sub-tenant, does that require that AJ be on the original lease/purchase agreement/whatever?

Considering it's a mortgage, that'd be out of the question. Also, many children pay rent to their parents. How is this situation any different? Since everyone wants to get technical, I would fall under the same kind of classification as a child would because there is no official lease, I don't have separate utilities, and I share an address. From the standpoint of the law, I an not a tenant.

@thanksajdotcom said:

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

Let's assume for a moment that it was the apt manager who was having these problems... what TOS is he breaking? Torrents themselves are not illegal, they can be used for illegal things sure.. so can Cash... should cash be outlawed (yeah I know some in the government think it should be)?

and are you saying he doesn't have legal right to use the internet because he's a sub-tenant of the one who's paying for the service?
I'm guessing that internet access is part of his lease agreement, and as such is the responsibility of the landlord to solve any fees that should be paid for having sub-tenants on the internet connection.
Unless I've missed a post somewhere here where AJ says he's stealing access from his landlord.

AJ isn't stealing anything, his landlord is. That was covered in another thread. He has a tenant sharing his connection - which is theft under the FiOS TOS.

I wonder if one could argue that AJ is a roommate and not a sub-tenant, does that require that AJ be on the original lease/purchase agreement/whatever?

Considering it's a mortgage, that'd be out of the question. Also, many children pay rent to their parents. How is this situation any different? Since everyone wants to get technical, I would fall under the same kind of classification as a child would because there is no official lease, I don't have separate utilities, and I share an address. From the standpoint of the law, I an not a tenant.

You aren't a relative so you wouldn't.

thanksajdotcom

@thecreativeone91 said:

@thanksajdotcom said:

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Dashrender said:

Let's assume for a moment that it was the apt manager who was having these problems... what TOS is he breaking? Torrents themselves are not illegal, they can be used for illegal things sure.. so can Cash... should cash be outlawed (yeah I know some in the government think it should be)?

and are you saying he doesn't have legal right to use the internet because he's a sub-tenant of the one who's paying for the service?
I'm guessing that internet access is part of his lease agreement, and as such is the responsibility of the landlord to solve any fees that should be paid for having sub-tenants on the internet connection.
Unless I've missed a post somewhere here where AJ says he's stealing access from his landlord.

AJ isn't stealing anything, his landlord is. That was covered in another thread. He has a tenant sharing his connection - which is theft under the FiOS TOS.

I wonder if one could argue that AJ is a roommate and not a sub-tenant, does that require that AJ be on the original lease/purchase agreement/whatever?

Considering it's a mortgage, that'd be out of the question. Also, many children pay rent to their parents. How is this situation any different? Since everyone wants to get technical, I would fall under the same kind of classification as a child would because there is no official lease, I don't have separate utilities, and I share an address. From the standpoint of the law, I an not a tenant.

You aren't a relative so you wouldn't.

I'm still not technically a tenant, since we're being all technical.

A tenant doesn't have to have a lease.

ten·ant

noun
1.a person who occupies land or property rented from a landlord.
synonyms: occupant, resident, inhabitant; More

verb:
1.
occupy (property) as a tenant.

thanksajdotcom

@thecreativeone91 said:

A tenant doesn't have to have a lease.

ten·ant

noun
1.a person who occupies land or property rented from a landlord.
synonyms: occupant, resident, inhabitant; More

verb:
1.
occupy (property) as a tenant.

There's no proof I rent. There's no lease.

@thanksajdotcom said:

Yes, my network piggybacks off my landlord's FiOS router

You even said it yourself right there. You defined yourself as a tenant.

Regardless, I think most people question is why do you keep bring up this internet connection. If all you said was "Does anyone know off-hand if you can schedule tasks in a FiOS router?" Then you wouldn't have these problems.

thanksajdotcom

@thecreativeone91 said:

@thanksajdotcom said:

Yes, my network piggybacks off my landlord's FiOS router

You even said it yourself right there. You defined yourself as a tenant.

Regardless, I think most people question is why do you keep bring up this internet connection. If all you said was "Does anyone know off-hand if you can schedule tasks in a FiOS router?" Then you wouldn't have these problems.

I did. I wasn't the one who brought it up. I even edited the OP at a couple peoples' suggestions so as to avoid this. It still came up.

And then we could find this:http://www.howtogeek.com/206620/how-to-automatically-reboot-your-router-the-geeky-way/

Dashrender

Unfortunately other laws might be being broken since you're not in a lease as you say.

The owner definitely has to claim any money from you as income to say the least.

Now, if you paid nothing.. then I think you would be completely in the clear because you're just a 'friend' crashing at his place for an unknown period of time and you'd be covered by the guest clause of the TOS of the FiOS contract. But since you are paying funds and probably don't qualify as a a co-tenant (but maybe you do) he would be in violation.

PSX_Defector

@thanksajdotcom said:

From the standpoint of the law, I an not a tenant.

Are you over 18, have any kind of agreement about living there and have been there over 30 days? Then you are a tenant, even if you don't pay a single dime.

Tenancy laws are very specific, especially in New York.

it's hilarious how much misguided traction EVERY SINGLE ONE of AJs posts get....

Does anyone here really care about anything in this thread?

IRJ

Could you imagine sharing a network with @thanksajdotcom ? The landlord's download speeds must be 10 times slower than before.... lol

IRJ

@Hubtech said:

it's hilarious how much misguided traction EVERY SINGLE ONE of AJs posts get....

Does anyone here really care about anything in this thread?

The quality of posting in general has gone downhill lately

@IRJ said:

@Hubtech said:

it's hilarious how much misguided traction EVERY SINGLE ONE of AJs posts get....

Does anyone here really care about anything in this thread?

The quality of posting in general has gone downhill lately

I think that goes for here and over there.

IRJ

Back to the thread, I have noticed that AT&T definitely throttles my connection. I get a better speed when using VPN. AT&T slows certain things down like Netflix, Hulu, Youtube, and other high traffic sources. Videos play 10 times better when I use anonymous VPN even though my connection is technically slower.