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    1984 is Here, Samsung Smart TV is Monitoring You

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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
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      I'm more and more disinclined!

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      • Reid CooperR
        Reid Cooper
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        No kidding.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller
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          I wonder if Samsung is going to notice an appreciable drop in sales from all of this. If it is enough to cross a threshold for me for considering them to purchase, I imagine that many people also cross that threshold.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender
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            Yeah they are off my list as well. I just don't need to talk to my TV... I'm ok using the remote.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller
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              I prefer my TVs to be "dumb", just monitors. I want to hook devices to them. AppleTV, Roku, PS3, computer, whatever. I want to choose the technology, I like my display to just be a display.

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              • coliverC
                coliver @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said:

                I prefer my TVs to be "dumb", just monitors. I want to hook devices to them. AppleTV, Roku, PS3, computer, whatever. I want to choose the technology, I like my display to just be a display.

                We bought a no name brand TV recently (Erickson I think? Not sure) It came with a Roku stick. It was dirt cheap for a 48" TV. No appreciable quality or build issues yet. I would much prefer that kind of integration then something being a "smart"-tv.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
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                  The technology advances so quickly on the "smart" side and so slowly on the display side. It makes little sense to have it all integrated together. They push that because "smart" TVs age much faster and people are way more likely to replace them early and often making the manufacturers way more money.

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                  • NicN
                    Nic
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                    Good lord, it just keeps getting worse: http://slashdot.org/submission/4197957/samsung-what-is-my-smarttv-reporting-to-whom

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                    • tonyshowoffT
                      tonyshowoff
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                      Finally, the TV can yell at me when I'm not working out correctly or hard enough. And also people are not looking at the other bright side: when you're alone it can automatically unlock specific programming 😏

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender
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                        It's funny, Steve Gibson talked about this on his Podcast Security Now! He basically said it's nothing to worry about because it's already happening everywhere else anyhow, and besides, they couldn't possibly be sending every single bit of recorded data back to the vendor (third party) they wouldn't have enough bandwidth...

                        Sadly Steve Gibson just lost some respect in my eyes today!

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                        • tonyshowoffT
                          tonyshowoff @Dashrender
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                          @Dashrender Perhaps if the assumption is that it's unpacked, uncompressed high definition or something. You can send audio at like 16kbps quality and it's still fairly decent, and video not much higher. I don't know why he'd suggest that at all.

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @Nic
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                            @Nic said:

                            Good lord, it just keeps getting worse: http://slashdot.org/submission/4197957/samsung-what-is-my-smarttv-reporting-to-whom

                            The site said:

                            A wireshark capture shows that remote sites are trying to access my TV until I turn it on,

                            Wait, how's that possible? If the TV didn't send out any requests, how are requests getting back to his TV? He mentioned that he was behind a router.

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                            • tonyshowoffT
                              tonyshowoff @Dashrender
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                              @Dashrender It seems to say:

                              "The TV continues sending data for several more seconds after the set appears to be off."

                              So, it doesn't matter that it's behind the router if it's coming from the TV itself, instead of the other way around.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                @Dashrender said:

                                @Nic said:

                                Good lord, it just keeps getting worse: http://slashdot.org/submission/4197957/samsung-what-is-my-smarttv-reporting-to-whom

                                The site said:

                                A wireshark capture shows that remote sites are trying to access my TV until I turn it on,

                                Wait, how's that possible? If the TV didn't send out any requests, how are requests getting back to his TV? He mentioned that he was behind a router.

                                "Off" in television terms normally means that the logic is still on.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said:

                                  "Off" in television terms normally means that the logic is still on.

                                  Sure, I know that, but the author didn't mention that the TV made a request before that flood of pre turned on packets. He's trying to make it sound worse than it is..

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                    @Dashrender said:

                                    @scottalanmiller said:

                                    "Off" in television terms normally means that the logic is still on.

                                    Sure, I know that, but the author didn't mention that the TV made a request before that flood of pre turned on packets. He's trying to make it sound worse than it is..

                                    Maybe, or maybe he is trying to make it sound better than it is by leaving out that the TV made a DLNA request and opened ports on the firewall.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      @Dashrender said:

                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      "Off" in television terms normally means that the logic is still on.

                                      Sure, I know that, but the author didn't mention that the TV made a request before that flood of pre turned on packets. He's trying to make it sound worse than it is..

                                      Maybe, or maybe he is trying to make it sound better than it is by leaving out that the TV made a DLNA request and opened ports on the firewall.

                                      OMG, I hadn't considered that - and it's entirely possible, na likely!

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                                      • DominicaD
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                                        Just creepy.

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                                        • SeanExabloxS
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                                          I also prefer my TVs to be 'dumb' and in 2D. How many people cover up the cameras on their monitors or laptops? I don't

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @SeanExablox
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                                            @SeanExablox I worked at a place where everyone did. Every tablet, every laptop had their cameras taped over because everyone was convinced that the company was using the devices to spy on the employees. People would pull the batteries out of their Blackberries anytime they didn't need them to guarantee that the camera couldn't be turned on secretly.

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