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Well - I know when to admit I got bad information - the way it was talked about made it sound like it was browser (probably should start listening more intently and researching on my own). Thanks for correcting me
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Now this is five years old, but I've not been made aware that this has changed. Here is what I mean..
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/01/new-chrome-for-ios-is-finally-as-fast-and-stable-as-safari/
"On Android and the major desktop platforms, different browsers use different rendering engines. Safari uses WebKit, Microsoft Edge uses EdgeHTML, Chrome uses Blink, and Firefox uses Gecko. On iOS, Apple has never allowed third-party browsing engines. Developers can build browsers, but they’re always just wrappers for the platform’s Webkit-based first-party engine. The oldest API for this in iOS is called UIWebView."
It changes the name so it doesn't say Safari, but it is Safari (Webkit) doing all of the work.
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@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
It's odd, there's no info on it anywhere. Even their own website and wikipedia tell nothing of it. It's all about their search engine.
Last I knew, you can't actually replace Safari on iOS, only modify it.
https://github.com/duckduckgo/iOS
Looks like a real app.
That is assumed already in the "it's just Safari" statement. It's always a real app regardless of if it is Safari or not.
Well, "app" is user lingo.
There is a difference if it's an extension to a browser or a fork of another browser or just a shortcut. -
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
It's odd, there's no info on it anywhere. Even their own website and wikipedia tell nothing of it. It's all about their search engine.
Last I knew, you can't actually replace Safari on iOS, only modify it.
https://github.com/duckduckgo/iOS
Looks like a real app.
That is assumed already in the "it's just Safari" statement. It's always a real app regardless of if it is Safari or not.
Well, "app" is user lingo.
There is a difference if it's an extension to a browser or a fork of another browser or just a shortcut.A fork will look 100% like it's unrelated to the original, though. There's no way to tell without looking at the code. Google Chrome is another good example. It's called Chrome, it looks like Chrome, it's always been Safari (Webkit) on iOS and not actual Chrome like on all other platforms.
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@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
It's odd, there's no info on it anywhere. Even their own website and wikipedia tell nothing of it. It's all about their search engine.
Last I knew, you can't actually replace Safari on iOS, only modify it.
https://github.com/duckduckgo/iOS
Looks like a real app.
That is assumed already in the "it's just Safari" statement. It's always a real app regardless of if it is Safari or not.
Well, "app" is user lingo.
There is a difference if it's an extension to a browser or a fork of another browser or just a shortcut.A fork will look 100% like it's unrelated to the original, though. There's no way to tell without looking at the code. Google Chrome is another good example. It's called Chrome, it looks like Chrome, it's always been Safari (Webkit) on iOS and not actual Chrome like on all other platforms.
If you're talking about the rendering engine (webkit), say webkit or Safari engine if you must. It's confusing AF when you say Safari when you're not talking about Safari.
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@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
It's odd, there's no info on it anywhere. Even their own website and wikipedia tell nothing of it. It's all about their search engine.
Last I knew, you can't actually replace Safari on iOS, only modify it.
https://github.com/duckduckgo/iOS
Looks like a real app.
That is assumed already in the "it's just Safari" statement. It's always a real app regardless of if it is Safari or not.
Well, "app" is user lingo.
There is a difference if it's an extension to a browser or a fork of another browser or just a shortcut.A fork will look 100% like it's unrelated to the original, though. There's no way to tell without looking at the code. Google Chrome is another good example. It's called Chrome, it looks like Chrome, it's always been Safari (Webkit) on iOS and not actual Chrome like on all other platforms.
If you're talking about the rendering engine (webkit), say webkit or Safari engine if you must. It's confusing AF when you say Safari when you're not talking about Safari.
Webkit is essentially always called Safari. When people say Safari, it's Webkit that they almost always refer to. "Safari" is just the menu options and name on the app, essentially. None of what matters or makes it a browser is Safari.
It's like saying Linux and Ubuntu. It's Webkit and Safari. It's the Safari kernel that you have to use, but you can change the name, colours, menu placement, etc. The superficial stuff.
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@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
It's odd, there's no info on it anywhere. Even their own website and wikipedia tell nothing of it. It's all about their search engine.
Last I knew, you can't actually replace Safari on iOS, only modify it.
https://github.com/duckduckgo/iOS
Looks like a real app.
That is assumed already in the "it's just Safari" statement. It's always a real app regardless of if it is Safari or not.
Well, "app" is user lingo.
There is a difference if it's an extension to a browser or a fork of another browser or just a shortcut.A fork will look 100% like it's unrelated to the original, though. There's no way to tell without looking at the code. Google Chrome is another good example. It's called Chrome, it looks like Chrome, it's always been Safari (Webkit) on iOS and not actual Chrome like on all other platforms.
If you're talking about the rendering engine (webkit), say webkit or Safari engine if you must. It's confusing AF when you say Safari when you're not talking about Safari.
Webkit is essentially always called Safari. When people say Safari, it's Webkit that they almost always refer to. "Safari" is just the menu options and name on the app, essentially. None of what matters or makes it a browser is Safari.
It's like saying Linux and Ubuntu. It's Webkit and Safari. It's the Safari kernel that you have to use, but you can change the name, colours, menu placement, etc. The superficial stuff.
No, it's not. And especially in this case. People pick Firefox, not for it's browser engine but for it's features. Same with Brave and other privacy focused browser.
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@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
It's odd, there's no info on it anywhere. Even their own website and wikipedia tell nothing of it. It's all about their search engine.
Last I knew, you can't actually replace Safari on iOS, only modify it.
https://github.com/duckduckgo/iOS
Looks like a real app.
That is assumed already in the "it's just Safari" statement. It's always a real app regardless of if it is Safari or not.
Well, "app" is user lingo.
There is a difference if it's an extension to a browser or a fork of another browser or just a shortcut.A fork will look 100% like it's unrelated to the original, though. There's no way to tell without looking at the code. Google Chrome is another good example. It's called Chrome, it looks like Chrome, it's always been Safari (Webkit) on iOS and not actual Chrome like on all other platforms.
If you're talking about the rendering engine (webkit), say webkit or Safari engine if you must. It's confusing AF when you say Safari when you're not talking about Safari.
Webkit is essentially always called Safari. When people say Safari, it's Webkit that they almost always refer to. "Safari" is just the menu options and name on the app, essentially. None of what matters or makes it a browser is Safari.
It's like saying Linux and Ubuntu. It's Webkit and Safari. It's the Safari kernel that you have to use, but you can change the name, colours, menu placement, etc. The superficial stuff.
No, it's not. And especially in this case. People pick Firefox, not for it's browser engine but for it's features. Same with Brave and other privacy focused browser.
Caveat here is that we are talking about people who knows technology and knows what a rendering engine is in the first place. Normal users don't of course.
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@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
It's odd, there's no info on it anywhere. Even their own website and wikipedia tell nothing of it. It's all about their search engine.
Last I knew, you can't actually replace Safari on iOS, only modify it.
https://github.com/duckduckgo/iOS
Looks like a real app.
That is assumed already in the "it's just Safari" statement. It's always a real app regardless of if it is Safari or not.
Well, "app" is user lingo.
There is a difference if it's an extension to a browser or a fork of another browser or just a shortcut.A fork will look 100% like it's unrelated to the original, though. There's no way to tell without looking at the code. Google Chrome is another good example. It's called Chrome, it looks like Chrome, it's always been Safari (Webkit) on iOS and not actual Chrome like on all other platforms.
If you're talking about the rendering engine (webkit), say webkit or Safari engine if you must. It's confusing AF when you say Safari when you're not talking about Safari.
Webkit is essentially always called Safari. When people say Safari, it's Webkit that they almost always refer to. "Safari" is just the menu options and name on the app, essentially. None of what matters or makes it a browser is Safari.
It's like saying Linux and Ubuntu. It's Webkit and Safari. It's the Safari kernel that you have to use, but you can change the name, colours, menu placement, etc. The superficial stuff.
No, it's not. And especially in this case. People pick Firefox, not for it's browser engine but for it's features. Same with Brave and other privacy focused browser.
Caveat here is that we are talking about people who knows technology and knows what a rendering engine is in the first place. Normal users don't of course.
But we could assume that DDG on iOS uses webkit (safari engine) and guess that DDG on Android uses blink (chromium engine).
On Windows, macOS, Linux it's seems like there is a firefox/chrome extension but no browser.
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@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
It's odd, there's no info on it anywhere. Even their own website and wikipedia tell nothing of it. It's all about their search engine.
Last I knew, you can't actually replace Safari on iOS, only modify it.
https://github.com/duckduckgo/iOS
Looks like a real app.
That is assumed already in the "it's just Safari" statement. It's always a real app regardless of if it is Safari or not.
Well, "app" is user lingo.
There is a difference if it's an extension to a browser or a fork of another browser or just a shortcut.A fork will look 100% like it's unrelated to the original, though. There's no way to tell without looking at the code. Google Chrome is another good example. It's called Chrome, it looks like Chrome, it's always been Safari (Webkit) on iOS and not actual Chrome like on all other platforms.
If you're talking about the rendering engine (webkit), say webkit or Safari engine if you must. It's confusing AF when you say Safari when you're not talking about Safari.
Webkit is essentially always called Safari. When people say Safari, it's Webkit that they almost always refer to. "Safari" is just the menu options and name on the app, essentially. None of what matters or makes it a browser is Safari.
It's like saying Linux and Ubuntu. It's Webkit and Safari. It's the Safari kernel that you have to use, but you can change the name, colours, menu placement, etc. The superficial stuff.
No, it's not. And especially in this case. People pick Firefox, not for it's browser engine but for it's features. Same with Brave and other privacy focused browser.
Most people I know don't pick for those technical reasons. Just speed or compatibility or randomly because they know the name.
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@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
It's odd, there's no info on it anywhere. Even their own website and wikipedia tell nothing of it. It's all about their search engine.
Last I knew, you can't actually replace Safari on iOS, only modify it.
https://github.com/duckduckgo/iOS
Looks like a real app.
That is assumed already in the "it's just Safari" statement. It's always a real app regardless of if it is Safari or not.
Well, "app" is user lingo.
There is a difference if it's an extension to a browser or a fork of another browser or just a shortcut.A fork will look 100% like it's unrelated to the original, though. There's no way to tell without looking at the code. Google Chrome is another good example. It's called Chrome, it looks like Chrome, it's always been Safari (Webkit) on iOS and not actual Chrome like on all other platforms.
If you're talking about the rendering engine (webkit), say webkit or Safari engine if you must. It's confusing AF when you say Safari when you're not talking about Safari.
Webkit is essentially always called Safari. When people say Safari, it's Webkit that they almost always refer to. "Safari" is just the menu options and name on the app, essentially. None of what matters or makes it a browser is Safari.
It's like saying Linux and Ubuntu. It's Webkit and Safari. It's the Safari kernel that you have to use, but you can change the name, colours, menu placement, etc. The superficial stuff.
No, it's not. And especially in this case. People pick Firefox, not for it's browser engine but for it's features. Same with Brave and other privacy focused browser.
Caveat here is that we are talking about people who knows technology and knows what a rendering engine is in the first place. Normal users don't of course.
That's why it's useful to point out it is Safari as opposed to Webkit. One means nothing, the other explains the situation. It's just window dressing.
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@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
It's odd, there's no info on it anywhere. Even their own website and wikipedia tell nothing of it. It's all about their search engine.
Last I knew, you can't actually replace Safari on iOS, only modify it.
https://github.com/duckduckgo/iOS
Looks like a real app.
That is assumed already in the "it's just Safari" statement. It's always a real app regardless of if it is Safari or not.
Well, "app" is user lingo.
There is a difference if it's an extension to a browser or a fork of another browser or just a shortcut.A fork will look 100% like it's unrelated to the original, though. There's no way to tell without looking at the code. Google Chrome is another good example. It's called Chrome, it looks like Chrome, it's always been Safari (Webkit) on iOS and not actual Chrome like on all other platforms.
If you're talking about the rendering engine (webkit), say webkit or Safari engine if you must. It's confusing AF when you say Safari when you're not talking about Safari.
Webkit is essentially always called Safari. When people say Safari, it's Webkit that they almost always refer to. "Safari" is just the menu options and name on the app, essentially. None of what matters or makes it a browser is Safari.
It's like saying Linux and Ubuntu. It's Webkit and Safari. It's the Safari kernel that you have to use, but you can change the name, colours, menu placement, etc. The superficial stuff.
No, it's not. And especially in this case. People pick Firefox, not for it's browser engine but for it's features. Same with Brave and other privacy focused browser.
Caveat here is that we are talking about people who knows technology and knows what a rendering engine is in the first place. Normal users don't of course.
But we could assume that DDG on iOS uses webkit (safari engine) and guess that DDG on Android uses blink (chromium engine).
On Windows, macOS, Linux it's seems like there is a firefox/chrome extension but no browser.
Exactly. The same "browser" on iOS and ANdroid is traditionally two totally different animals.
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So when people say things like "works on Chrome" or "works on Safari"... that's actually a reference to the rendering engine and not the browser. So the entire world of browser compatibility uses the term browser and those names for the under the hood engines. Chrome on iOS has all the technical limitations of Safari.
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@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
So when people say things like "works on Chrome" or "works on Safari"... that's actually a reference to the rendering engine and not the browser. So the entire world of browser compatibility uses the term browser and those names for the under the hood engines. Chrome on iOS has all the technical limitations of Safari.
OK, it's hard for me to judge what everyone is saying. I'm probably wrong.
I mean people say they have 100 mbps internet. Drives me crazy because you'd thought than anyone technical would know the difference between milli and Mega, but obviously not. Bits and bytes always seems to cause similar confusion.
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Was an ISP Industry buzz back in the day, makes it sound a lot more.
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@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
Most people I know don't pick for those technical reasons. Just speed or compatibility or randomly because they know the name.
That's why I use Edge, best of all worlds... speed, integrations, features/functionality, updates, security, compatibility with all the devices I have, etc.
That and Bing, which DuckDuckGo seems to favor more than any other search engine. The results DuckDuckGo show and what Bing show are usually almost identical. Extremely different than Google.
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@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@wrcombs said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@wrcombs said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@wrcombs said in DuckDuckGo:
Anyone using this browser?
I've heard good things online about it, but whats the community thoughts on it?Didn't know they had a browser but now I'm going to give it a spin.
I just downloaded it on my iPhone - debating on download for my laptop..
Where do you get it? I went to the website, there was nothing there. Just an extension for my current browser.
It's a an app on iPhone as the default browser.
I think you'll find it just looks that way and is actually still Safari.
All web browsers on iphone are repackaged safari afaik, even chrome.
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@stacksofplates said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@wrcombs said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@wrcombs said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@wrcombs said in DuckDuckGo:
Anyone using this browser?
I've heard good things online about it, but whats the community thoughts on it?Didn't know they had a browser but now I'm going to give it a spin.
I just downloaded it on my iPhone - debating on download for my laptop..
Where do you get it? I went to the website, there was nothing there. Just an extension for my current browser.
It's a an app on iPhone as the default browser.
I think you'll find it just looks that way and is actually still Safari.
All web browsers on iphone are repackaged safari afaik, even chrome.
I know that that was true in the past. I'm just assuming that it has not changed. I can't find any reference to it having changed. So I think that that is still true.
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The Android app is much different than the other browsers. So I'm assuming is some version of rebranded chromium.
Fwiw on Android, I end up using Firefox focus the most and Brave for most everything else.
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@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@stacksofplates said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@wrcombs said in DuckDuckGo:
@scottalanmiller said in DuckDuckGo:
@wrcombs said in DuckDuckGo:
@pete-s said in DuckDuckGo:
@wrcombs said in DuckDuckGo:
Anyone using this browser?
I've heard good things online about it, but whats the community thoughts on it?Didn't know they had a browser but now I'm going to give it a spin.
I just downloaded it on my iPhone - debating on download for my laptop..
Where do you get it? I went to the website, there was nothing there. Just an extension for my current browser.
It's a an app on iPhone as the default browser.
I think you'll find it just looks that way and is actually still Safari.
All web browsers on iphone are repackaged safari afaik, even chrome.
I know that that was true in the past. I'm just assuming that it has not changed. I can't find any reference to it having changed. So I think that that is still true.
Yeah got lazy and I didn't read through everything yet. Just commented on that. But finally made it to the end.
