Managing Services on Ubuntu Linux
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Rob-Dunn said:
Yep - for my home media server, running 14.04. It's definitely a learning process...
Why 14.04? 14.10 is current, 15.04 is getting pretty close.
LTS?
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@nadnerB said:
LTS?
LTS is fake in Ubuntu. If "support" is your goal, you need to be current. They don't actually provide reliable support for the LTS versions. The support includes requiring you to upgrade to keep getting support.
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@scottalanmiller said:
LTS is fake in Ubuntu. If "support" is your goal, you need to be current. They don't actually provide reliable support for the LTS versions. The support includes requiring you to upgrade to keep getting support.
I didn't think that they provided reliable support anyway. Isn't that what the Ubuntu forums were intended to be? (I would be very happy to be incorrect about this)
EDIT: Don't you have to pay Canonical to get support out of them anyway? (only asking because I have no idea) -
For me, that was just what I had on media at the time and I've not performed release upgrade. I assume it would be just as safe!
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@Rob-Dunn said:
For me, that was just what I had on media at the time and I've not performed release upgrade. I assume it would be just as safe!
@thanksaj has had the update process fail on his. MangoLassi runs on Ubuntu, though, and has gone through 13.04, 13.10, 14.04 and is not on 14.10 and just awaiting the next release. No issues here at all.
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@nadnerB said:
EDIT: Don't you have to pay Canonical to get support out of them anyway? (only asking because I have no idea)
Correct, and when you do, they say things like "Oh, even though you are on a 'stable' LTS release we aren't actually providing support for that and you'll have to update to the current version to get our critical bug fixes." So LTS is just a label, it doesn't mean anything. If you want an LTS you need to stick to CentOS, RHEL or Suse where they actually support frozen versions for a very long time.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@nadnerB said:
EDIT: Don't you have to pay Canonical to get support out of them anyway? (only asking because I have no idea)
Correct, and when you do, they say things like "Oh, even though you are on a 'stable' LTS release we aren't actually providing support for that and you'll have to update to the current version to get our critical bug fixes." So LTS is just a label, it doesn't mean anything. If you want an LTS you need to stick to CentOS, RHEL or Suse where they actually support frozen versions for a very long time.
The issue is trying to update from LTS to a current build. There are a couple config files you tweak that make it possible but every time I've tried it, I've had to restore from a backup because it totally hosed my system...
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That reminds me - what backup utility are you guys using to do a complete backup of your Ubuntu systems?
I'd like something I can run while the system is booted into the OS (ala VSS backup for Windows). Also would like the ability to exclude files.
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I found this list: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem
Anyone use these and what are your opinions?
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@Rob-Dunn all of our Ubuntu is hosted on enterprise cloud providers like Rackspace. They handle the backups for us.
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@Rob-Dunn said:
That reminds me - what backup utility are you guys using to do a complete backup of your Ubuntu systems?
I'd like something I can run while the system is booted into the OS (ala VSS backup for Windows). Also would like the ability to exclude files.
EDIT:
I found this list: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem
Anyone use these and what are your opinions?
Hasn't Linux always been able to do something like VSS? If I remember right that is what tar was originally designed to do. That being said I use Unitrends to do all of my Linux backups.
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@coliver said:
Hasn't Linux always been able to do something like VSS?
Always? No. Before VSS? Yes. VSS is heavily based on Linux LVM. You have long (but not always) been able to take snapshots of the filesystem.
