Follow-Up After Interview
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@scottalanmiller said in Follow-Up After Interview:
When interviewing, include things like vacations dates and conferences that you want as part of your hiring agreement. It's actually impressive, especially when talking professional development stuff, and a moment when they will generally agree without a second thought.
Yeah I do this but never in writing. I always ask about how frequently I can get training as that's a big part of my career. It kind of flips the script on them when they ask you if you have any questions.
And like Scott says no one is ever going to see you asking about training as a negative
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@IRJ said in Follow-Up After Interview:
Yeah I do this but never in writing.
Same, mostly just a discussion.
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So, if there are two close or equal candidates:
One of them follows up the day after thanking you for your time for the interview, and maybe reference something specific that came up during the conversation to maybe highlight ways your skills and experience are a good match. Also a decent time to briefly mention something you may have forgotten....
And the other candidate does nothing...
So long as the one who did follow up does it in a (brief) way that doesn't portray desperation, but shows genuineness and confidence, I don't see how that could be anything but positive.
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@Obsolesce said in Follow-Up After Interview:
So long as the one who did follow up does it in a (brief) way that doesn't portray desperation, but shows genuineness and confidence, I don't see how that could be anything but positive.
One could say the same thing about being silent and respecting your space. Can't be seen as anything but positive.
There is a difference between a follow up and a thank you. Responding quickly after a meeting just to thank people for their time is always acceptable and polite. That's different than waiting and following up hoping to pop into someone's memory.
But more importantly, if you've gone long enough that you feel the need to follow up, it's already too long.
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@scottalanmiller said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@Obsolesce said in Follow-Up After Interview:
So long as the one who did follow up does it in a (brief) way that doesn't portray desperation, but shows genuineness and confidence, I don't see how that could be anything but positive.
One could say the same thing about being silent and respecting your space. Can't be seen as anything but positive.
There is a difference between a follow up and a thank you. Responding quickly after a meeting just to thank people for their time is always acceptable and polite. That's different than waiting and following up hoping to pop into someone's memory.
But more importantly, if you've gone long enough that you feel the need to follow up, it's already too long.
Oh, that kind of follow-up. I misunderstood. Yes I agree, nothing to do. But at that point, if it's gone so long anyways, it can't hurt if it's already a no lol. (though, I wouldn't anyways)
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@Obsolesce said in Follow-Up After Interview:
Oh, that kind of follow-up. I misunderstood. Yes I agree, nothing to do. But at that point, if it's gone so long anyways, it can't hurt if it's already a no lol. (though, I wouldn't anyways)
Unlikely to hurt, true. But a waste of time. And this is more important than it sounds.
Interviewing is a mentally taxing game and companies win by making employees despair. Part of a healthy interviewing practice is to prep, do well in the interview, and just "dump it" once you walk out. Once the interview is over, let it go, never think of it again. If you are thinking about interviews or jobs later and wishing that you had gotten it, you are in an less than ideal mental place. If you are thinking about them so much that you follow up a week later, that's very less than ideal.
As a good strategy, you really want to essentially forgot the interview entirely by the next day (of course, remember them enough to know if you want to accept or not if they call, lol.) But basically, never think about it again. That's how you keep yourself from getting dragged down by doing lots of interviews. There is a lot of psychology at play here. But this sounds like a great episode in the making.
I think people focus so much on preparing for an interview that they completely forget about mental health following an interview or in the overall job hunting process.
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@scottalanmiller said in Follow-Up After Interview:
I think people focus so much on preparing for an interview that they completely forget about mental health following an interview or in the overall job hunting process.
Very true.
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I made a video. Might get posted tonight, maybe not until tomorrow.
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@scottalanmiller said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@Fredtx said in Follow-Up After Interview:
there is some cons. The pay will be about 15K more a year than what I currently make (below market value) at my company, It will be 5 min away from my home, there is some technology that I will learn that I don't have experience with.
Those are the cons?
this was my question.
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@Obsolesce said in Follow-Up After Interview:
So, if there are two close or equal candidates:
One of them follows up the day after thanking you for your time for the interview, and maybe reference something specific that came up during the conversation to maybe highlight ways your skills and experience are a good match. Also a decent time to briefly mention something you may have forgotten....
And the other candidate does nothing...
So long as the one who did follow up does it in a (brief) way that doesn't portray desperation, but shows genuineness and confidence, I don't see how that could be anything but positive.
I disagree. I think the confidence of not calling back should make the employer want you more. I have never once been interested in a candidate that has sent a BS follow up. I am more interested in the guy who may have offers out there ready.
If you play hardball in the interviews, you certainly dont want to do this follow up crap. Make them sweat about there being other offers out there. When doing hiring, you would be surprised how quickly good candidates go off the market.
I have interviewed several where we immediately got offer letter out (same day) and were rejected because candidate had multiple offers and ours was not the best.
My point is if the company values you, they will call you.
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@IRJ said in Follow-Up After Interview:
My point is if the company values you, they will call you.
This is where it is, if they really weren't impressed then would you really want to go and work there? Being the last one pick so to speak. .
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@scottalanmiller said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@Obsolesce said in Follow-Up After Interview:
Oh, that kind of follow-up. I misunderstood. Yes I agree, nothing to do. But at that point, if it's gone so long anyways, it can't hurt if it's already a no lol. (though, I wouldn't anyways)
Unlikely to hurt, true. But a waste of time. And this is more important than it sounds.
Interviewing is a mentally taxing game and companies win by making employees despair. Part of a healthy interviewing practice is to prep, do well in the interview, and just "dump it" once you walk out. Once the interview is over, let it go, never think of it again. If you are thinking about interviews or jobs later and wishing that you had gotten it, you are in an less than ideal mental place. If you are thinking about them so much that you follow up a week later, that's very less than ideal.
As a good strategy, you really want to essentially forgot the interview entirely by the next day (of course, remember them enough to know if you want to accept or not if they call, lol.) But basically, never think about it again. That's how you keep yourself from getting dragged down by doing lots of interviews. There is a lot of psychology at play here. But this sounds like a great episode in the making.
I think people focus so much on preparing for an interview that they completely forget about mental health following an interview or in the overall job hunting process.
I definitely agree here. Even when you have the upperhand, it is so mentally tiring going through the process. Weeks feel like months and months feel like years.
If it isn't mentally taxing you aren't putting your best effort out there and only cheating yourself. The only way to handle the interview process and keep a good head about things is to remember this is just business. Always assume nothing is in stone until you have a signed offer. Like @scottalanmiller said forget about it and move on to the next one.
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I also tell my interviewer about my other interviews with other companies. Not in detail, but I will say something like I have been doing quite a bit of interviewing this week. That sounds crazy, why would you do this? Well I want our relationship right off the bat to be about business. I offer you the best value, so you offer me your best. Its not about being loyal to some company or brand. Its about money\value to me. That is much more respected then saying crap like "I always wanted to work for this company!" or some BS that nobody ever even believes.
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@IRJ said in Follow-Up After Interview:
I also tell my interviewer about my other interviews with other companies.
And they often will tell you a little about other candidates. Like if they are seeing many, how good they've been, etc.
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@DustinB3403 said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@IRJ said in Follow-Up After Interview:
My point is if the company values you, they will call you.
This is where it is, if they really weren't impressed then would you really want to go and work there? Being the last one pick so to speak. .
In some cases you do, basically when you are desperate. I get that, and everyone is desperate sometimes. And if a job is believed to be otherwise lost, and there is no more productive activity to do, sure, following up might remind them of you and 1% chance get you a job you'd otherwise not have gotten. Never seen it happen, but it must.
But that's when you are trying to put food on the table, not when you are trying to advance your career. Putting food on the table is very important, but just be aware that there are two different approaches to getting a job and if the goal is advancing your career then acting like you are trying to put food on the table isn't the best approach to getting the right advancement.
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@Dashrender said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@scottalanmiller said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@Fredtx said in Follow-Up After Interview:
there is some cons. The pay will be about 15K more a year than what I currently make (below market value) at my company, It will be 5 min away from my home, there is some technology that I will learn that I don't have experience with.
Those are the cons?
this was my question.
So first thing... make sure you have the pros and cons straight. LOLOLOL
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@scottalanmiller said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@Dashrender said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@scottalanmiller said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@Fredtx said in Follow-Up After Interview:
there is some cons. The pay will be about 15K more a year than what I currently make (below market value) at my company, It will be 5 min away from my home, there is some technology that I will learn that I don't have experience with.
Those are the cons?
this was my question.
So first thing... make sure you have the pros and cons straight. LOLOLOL
Yes. Prevents confusion. I was very confused at your first initial response. I was like, "Are those things not good enough"? Then, I realized I listed it as cons, instead of pros. LOL
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@Fredtx said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@scottalanmiller said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@Dashrender said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@scottalanmiller said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@Fredtx said in Follow-Up After Interview:
there is some cons. The pay will be about 15K more a year than what I currently make (below market value) at my company, It will be 5 min away from my home, there is some technology that I will learn that I don't have experience with.
Those are the cons?
this was my question.
So first thing... make sure you have the pros and cons straight. LOLOLOL
I was like, "Are those things not good enough"? Then, I realized I listed it as cons, instead of pros. LOL
I was like, "Man, I wish an extra $15K was a con to me!" :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
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@pmoncho said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@Fredtx said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@scottalanmiller said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@Dashrender said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@scottalanmiller said in Follow-Up After Interview:
@Fredtx said in Follow-Up After Interview:
there is some cons. The pay will be about 15K more a year than what I currently make (below market value) at my company, It will be 5 min away from my home, there is some technology that I will learn that I don't have experience with.
Those are the cons?
this was my question.
So first thing... make sure you have the pros and cons straight. LOLOLOL
I was like, "Are those things not good enough"? Then, I realized I listed it as cons, instead of pros. LOL
I was like, "Man, I wish an extra $15K was a con to me!" :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
LOL - yeah, me too - man.. only $15K more, I was really hoping it was going to be $25K more. LOL
