LibreOffice - Runs so slowly
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@Pete-S said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@DustinB3403 said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@Pete-S said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@DustinB3403 said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@Obsolesce said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@DustinB3403 said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
Has anyone else noticed that LibreOffice, Calc and Impress in particular run so slow? Anyone have any pointers on how to improve the performance.
Windows and OSX
Slower than MS Office? In what way?
In the I have a 437MB file and the transitions aren't smooth. It might be my system (I do have a lot open atm) but it just seems impractical
Open/LibreOffice is java based. Has always been slower.
But the pro tip for running presentations is to convert them from powerpoint to pdf and run them in full screen mode. Your 437MB file will probably end up a 10MB file or something like that.
But then you don't have any transitions. . .
Are you really sure about that?
How would you get in slide animation and transitions on a PDF?
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@Pete-S said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
Open/LibreOffice is java based. Has always been slower.
Not Java based, it runs without Java being installed. We rarely run it with Java. There are a few select features that are pretty rarely use that rely on Java. LibreOffice Base is heavily dependent on Java, but that's about it and I know of no one that uses (or ever used) that feature. Base doesn't even actually need it, it's just as a driver for some databases. It's only their old, native, embedded DB option (that you shouldn't normally be using anyway) that used Java, and that's being updated.
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@Pete-S said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@DustinB3403 said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@Pete-S said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@DustinB3403 said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@Obsolesce said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@DustinB3403 said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
Has anyone else noticed that LibreOffice, Calc and Impress in particular run so slow? Anyone have any pointers on how to improve the performance.
Windows and OSX
Slower than MS Office? In what way?
In the I have a 437MB file and the transitions aren't smooth. It might be my system (I do have a lot open atm) but it just seems impractical
Open/LibreOffice is java based. Has always been slower.
But the pro tip for running presentations is to convert them from powerpoint to pdf and run them in full screen mode. Your 437MB file will probably end up a 10MB file or something like that.
But then you don't have any transitions. . .
Are you really sure about that?
Yeah, no that doesn't at all work for how our presentations are setup.
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@DustinB3403 said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@Pete-S said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@DustinB3403 said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@Pete-S said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@DustinB3403 said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@Obsolesce said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@DustinB3403 said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
Has anyone else noticed that LibreOffice, Calc and Impress in particular run so slow? Anyone have any pointers on how to improve the performance.
Windows and OSX
Slower than MS Office? In what way?
In the I have a 437MB file and the transitions aren't smooth. It might be my system (I do have a lot open atm) but it just seems impractical
Open/LibreOffice is java based. Has always been slower.
But the pro tip for running presentations is to convert them from powerpoint to pdf and run them in full screen mode. Your 437MB file will probably end up a 10MB file or something like that.
But then you don't have any transitions. . .
Are you really sure about that?
Yeah, no that doesn't at all work for how our presentations are setup.
You have page transitions in pdfs but perhaps you need real animation?
If you run presentations for educational purpose or something like project or department meetings, having lots of animations just make it extremely difficult to jump back three slides and answer a question and then jump forward again.
In the past I did lots of presentations and could spend at least 20 hours a week doing that. I'd just delete all transitions and export everything to pdf when done. And run the presentation off the pdfs. If I had something that really need heavy animation and what not, I'd just create it as a video clip. Easier to share the presentation as pdf as well.
But I can see situations where that wouldn't work.
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@Pete-S None of that is a viable option when your business runs on creating presentations to sell to clients the potential work you can do for them.
I get what you're saying but I can't go to management and tell them to pay someone with video editing expertise to create the presentation for them.
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@DustinB3403 said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@Pete-S None of that is a viable option when your business runs on creating presentations to sell to clients the potential work you can do for them.
I get what you're saying but I can't go to management and tell them to pay someone with video editing expertise to create the presentation for them.
Yeah, I get that. It may not be applicable in your case but it's good to know that you can create a full fledged presentation with heavy animations in powerpoint and then export the whole thing as a video.
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After using LibreOffice for a few years now, I can say that MS Office is worth the $$$
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@IRJ said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
After using LibreOffice for a few years now, I can say that MS Office is worth the $$$
And that may be the final outcome of this, I simply was asked to look into it.
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Well I solved at least 1 issue, by default the transition time between slides is 1 Second (OMG WTF thought that was a good default).
I changed the transition time down to .35 seconds and it feels normal
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@IRJ said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
After using LibreOffice for a few years now, I can say that MS Office is worth the $$$
I'm really liking the Zoho Office docs. They are online only, but that works better for us.
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@IRJ said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
After using LibreOffice for a few years now, I can say that MS Office is worth the $$$
Lol ya that's what I had to do too.
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@Obsolesce said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@IRJ said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
After using LibreOffice for a few years now, I can say that MS Office is worth the $$$
Lol ya that's what I had to do too.
Have had no issues with it. What the heck are you guys doing that you can notice the difference? MS Office is superior, but "worth the money" I rarely see. LibreOffice has been fast and smooth for us.
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@DustinB3403 said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@IRJ said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
After using LibreOffice for a few years now, I can say that MS Office is worth the $$$
And that may be the final outcome of this, I simply was asked to look into it.
LOL - I did that 12 years ago with Open Office... after seeing that our existing word docs will all have to be 'fixed' the cost wasn't worth it.
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@scottalanmiller said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@IRJ said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
After using LibreOffice for a few years now, I can say that MS Office is worth the $$$
I'm really liking the Zoho Office docs. They are online only, but that works better for us.
Do they have a shared storage solution - a way for people to access/save to a central storage location in their system?
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@scottalanmiller said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@Obsolesce said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
@IRJ said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
After using LibreOffice for a few years now, I can say that MS Office is worth the $$$
Lol ya that's what I had to do too.
Have had no issues with it. What the heck are you guys doing that you can notice the difference? MS Office is superior, but "worth the money" I rarely see. LibreOffice has been fast and smooth for us.
For us it's all about formatting. Things that look awesome in Word were nearly unreadable in OO, no clue with LO, things could be better.
Much of our forms are still in the old 97 version of MS Office formats, though I'm slowly getting people to save to the XML MS Office formats.
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@scottalanmiller said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
MS Office is superior, but "worth the money" I rarely see.
The max price for an E3 license is $20 a month.
For someone making over 100k a year, this means that if MS Office convenienced or saved someone roughly 18 minutes over a month vs a "free" priduct, that makes up for the total cost per month. Im only referring to the Office Suite though as far as what I'm considering in convenienced work vs LibreOffice or others.
So yes, even if you waste just 40 seconds a day (or 5 seconds an hour) due to the differences of MS Office vs others, I'd say it's worth the money for that individual. And that's not even taking into consideration things you CAN'T do or other workarounds you need to account for.
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@Obsolesce said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
For someone making over 100k a year, this means that if MS Office convenienced or saved someone roughly 18 minutes over a month vs a "free" priduct, that makes up for the total cost per month. Im only referring to the Office Suite though as far as what I'm considering in convenienced work vs LibreOffice or others.
As a company that does MS Office support for lots of companies, licensing "breaks" because of MS Office problems take easily 30-180 minutes per person of downtime per year. And for most users, we've seen zero extra time needed to use LibreOffice.
MS Office has so many licensing / log in checks that cause delays, require sign ins, or make it stop working and require IT to get involved that ideas like "convenience" or "efficiency" pretty much rule it out until you are doing things so niche that LibreOffice or G Suite or whatever can't do it. When you need ultimate desktop power MS Office is the best, but until then, it's actually the worst. And when you need power like that, almost always you should have been using a custom built app, not Excel to run your business.
Also, if your staff are "six figure office suite users", you are in a pretty insanely rare category of worker. Office suites aren't really significant tools for very many well paying jobs, everyone uses them, but generally really lightly (like almost to the point of just being a text editor.) In the doctor and vet kind of category, you don't even need to install them. For lawyers, they really just use the lightest text editing features. Publishers don't use office suites. Most usage of office suites is in error (people who don't think about their tooling and pick the wrong one.)
When it works, MS Office is a great tool. But it is rarely the right tool, and "when it works" being only 99% of the time makes the other 1% pretty expensive.
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@Obsolesce said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
So yes, even if you waste just 40 seconds a day (or 5 seconds an hour) due to the differences of MS Office vs others, I'd say it's worth the money for that individual.
Agreed. That's perfect logic. And if that's the case, it pays for itself. But only if you can make the problems of LibreOffice, G Suite, Zoho Docs and others require more interruptions to user time than MS Office does. And from real world support of lots of companies, what we normally see is the opposite to a dramatic degree.... LibreOffice increasing efficiency with no noticeable end user delays to moment to moment use (MS Office is faster, but not normally noticeably so), but removing the version to version confusion of MS Office, more transparent updates, dramatically less IT support time (this is why MSPs hate LibreOffice, because MS Office creates a lot of MSP billable hours from the unnecessary complexity), and removes the semi-regular "we can't work until we figure out the MS Office account problems" that we deal with every day.
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@scottalanmiller said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
As a company that does MS Office support for lots of companies, licensing "breaks" because of MS Office problems take easily 30-180 minutes per person of downtime per year. And for most users, we've seen zero extra time needed to use LibreOffice.
MS Office has so many licensing / log in checks that cause delays, require sign ins, or make it stop workingI never experienced this anywhere or heard of it besides your one incident due to some mistake or oversight who knows where.
Licensing for O365 products just doesn't go away like it did in your experience, preventing users from using office. You can't base things off of anomalies or your fringe case.
I literally not waited a single millisecond or noticible amount of time ever, to use any Office app, like ever. Even in a big environment that mains Google Suite, and controlling office licenses and accounts through non-MS means.
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@scottalanmiller said in LibreOffice - Runs so slowly:
Also, if your staff are "six figure office suite users", you are in a pretty insanely rare category of worker. Office suites aren't really significant tools for very many well paying jobs,
You honestly can tell me that it's rare for a 6 figure employee to not use any Office software? You've got to be kidding me or have a serious oversight going on in order to try to prove something.
