Netgear Insight Managed Switches
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@wrx7m said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
@pmoncho said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
Ubiquity but they only have SFP+ ports on 48 port
Is your concern that you need 10Gb but they are only offered on the 48 ports? Or you want the 48 ports but only need 1G SFP?
I want to buy one 24 port (VM Hosts (one with Veeam), NAS, and SSL-VPN) and one 48 port for PC's and printers.
So what I am looking for is a 24 port with minimum 2 10G SFP+ and a 48 port with two10G SFP+. All while trying to keep costs low (we are a SMB with about 50 users).
I saw the Netgear Insight managed and said WTH??? Why so cheap compared to others. I am not the networking guru so I figured someone with much more experience could pick out the big glaring issue that I may be missing.
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@pmoncho said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
@marcinozga said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
Gen 2 Unifi switches have SFP+, Edgeswitch Lite have SFP+ too, and Edgeswitch 16 XG has 12 SFP+ ports.
I missed the Gen 2 Unifi as I was only looking at the Edgeswitch line - I will look into those
Edgeswitch only has SFP+ on 48 Port switches. 24 port switches only have SFP unless I missed something.
At this time I don't have a specific need for that many. Although, I could figure out how to use them :winking_face:
If you want 24 port, then I think only Unifi Gen 2 has SFP+ https://switch.ui.com/gen2/
They do have just SFP+ switches, with 12 SFP+, both Edgemax and Unifi. -
@pmoncho Ah, I see. I have Extreme Networks Summit switches. They are definitely more than netgear. As others have mentioned, you can look at one of the 12-port SFP+ core type switches from Ubiquiti. For the price, that is a lot of throughput.
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@marcinozga said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
@pmoncho said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
@marcinozga said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
Gen 2 Unifi switches have SFP+, Edgeswitch Lite have SFP+ too, and Edgeswitch 16 XG has 12 SFP+ ports.
I missed the Gen 2 Unifi as I was only looking at the Edgeswitch line - I will look into those
Edgeswitch only has SFP+ on 48 Port switches. 24 port switches only have SFP unless I missed something.
At this time I don't have a specific need for that many. Although, I could figure out how to use them :winking_face:
If you want 24 port, then I think only Unifi Gen 2 has SFP+ https://switch.ui.com/gen2/
They do have just SFP+ switches, with 12 SFP+, both Edgemax and Unifi.The 24 port will be for the 3 VM host servers. I keep staring at those SFP+ switches but I don't think I can justify getting the existing two host servers 10G SFP+ cards (getting a new Dell R440 next week and debating putting in a 10G SFP+ card because they are only an extra $100) along with new with new switches.
I will check out the UI Gen2's - If anyone has an opinion on those, please shout out.
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@pmoncho said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
debating putting in a 10G SFP+ card because they are only an extra $100
Don't debate. Just do it.
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@wrx7m said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
@pmoncho Ah, I see. I have Extreme Networks Summit switches. They are definitely more than netgear. As others have mentioned, you can look at one of the 12-port SFP+ core type switches from Ubiquiti. For the price, that is a lot of throughput.
As for the SFP+ ports, I am mostly looking between both switches (24 port server switch and the 48 port PC/printer switch). I don't believe I need that.
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@pmoncho I am guessing that none of those have a dedicated stacking interface?
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@wrx7m said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
@pmoncho said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
debating putting in a 10G SFP+ card because they are only an extra $100
Don't debate. Just do it.
I believe I am. I just have @JaredBusch and @scottalanmiller in the back of my head yelling at me.
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@wrx7m said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
@pmoncho I am guessing that none of those have a dedicated stacking interface?
I don't know, I will check into that. I only have a three switches total so stacking is not that important to me.
As for the Netgear Insight managed devices, they do all pop up in the Insight app (cloud or mobile app), kinda like Unifi controller for Unifi devices.
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@pmoncho said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
I only have a three switches total so stacking is not that important to me
It isn't just for management. In most cases, a stacking style will have much greater throughput between switches.
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At one of my clients we installed SFP+ cards in a group of Hyper-V hosts a few years ago. It was worth the extra cost IMO.
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@wrx7m said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
@pmoncho said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
I only have a three switches total so stacking is not that important to me
It isn't just for management. In most cases, a stacking style will have much greater throughput between switches.
You bring up a good point. I will look into that. I haven't stacked switches since I went from a two 16's to one 48 port swtich (PC's and Printers).
Q. I've seen the phrase "Virtual Stacking." What the heck is that? Or what situation would that cover. Would this be relevant to me if as my two switches will not be located in the same rack but about 6' apart?
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@brandon220 said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
At one of my clients we installed SFP+ cards in a group of Hyper-V hosts a few years ago. It was worth the extra cost IMO.
Stop tempting me! :face_with_stuck-out_tongue:
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@pmoncho said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
@wrx7m said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
@pmoncho said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
debating putting in a 10G SFP+ card because they are only an extra $100
Don't debate. Just do it.
I believe I am. I just have @JaredBusch and @scottalanmiller in the back of my head yelling at me.
For a new host, it is likely a smart choice. But you can always add it later.
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For $100, yeah I'd just do it. Otherwise you're looking at 2-4 (or so) 1 Gb/s teamed connections....
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@wrx7m said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
@pmoncho I am guessing that none of those have a dedicated stacking interface?
Is there any switch (Unifi or Edge line) that is "stackable"? I don't think so.
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@Dashrender said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
For $100, yeah I'd just do it. Otherwise you're looking at 2-4 (or so) 1 Gb/s teamed connections....
Exactly. I was thinking something similar also.
I don't need HA but am looking for a little more speed and more simple setup going forward. One cable vs 2-3 (tiny, tiny part of larger plan), consolidating hosts (soon), creating midday backup plan without penalizing daily workers, plus other changes I am contemplating for the future.
I do want to put the available budget to the best use to get the best value, plus a small morsel for the future too.
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@marcinozga said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
@pmoncho said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
@marcinozga said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
Gen 2 Unifi switches have SFP+, Edgeswitch Lite have SFP+ too, and Edgeswitch 16 XG has 12 SFP+ ports.
I missed the Gen 2 Unifi as I was only looking at the Edgeswitch line - I will look into those
Edgeswitch only has SFP+ on 48 Port switches. 24 port switches only have SFP unless I missed something.
At this time I don't have a specific need for that many. Although, I could figure out how to use them :winking_face:
If you want 24 port, then I think only Unifi Gen 2 has SFP+ https://switch.ui.com/gen2/
They do have just SFP+ switches, with 12 SFP+, both Edgemax and Unifi.Reviewed these. Just noticed that all Gen 2's are POE. Not that big of a deal but I don't need POE.
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@pmoncho said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
@Dashrender said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
For $100, yeah I'd just do it. Otherwise you're looking at 2-4 (or so) 1 Gb/s teamed connections....
Exactly. I was thinking something similar also.
I don't need HA but am looking for a little more speed and more simple setup going forward. One cable vs 2-3 (tiny, tiny part of larger plan), consolidating hosts (soon), creating midday backup plan without penalizing daily workers, plus other changes I am contemplating for the future.
I do want to put the available budget to the best use to get the best value, plus a small morsel for the future too.
yeah, really it does come down to more than just this single port for this server -
Do you need two connections in case one fails? Do you need two switches in the backplane in case one fails? How many other SPF+ ports do you need?
We don't know how many ports you need where.
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@Dashrender said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
@pmoncho said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
@Dashrender said in Netgear Insight Managed Switches:
For $100, yeah I'd just do it. Otherwise you're looking at 2-4 (or so) 1 Gb/s teamed connections....
Exactly. I was thinking something similar also.
I don't need HA but am looking for a little more speed and more simple setup going forward. One cable vs 2-3 (tiny, tiny part of larger plan), consolidating hosts (soon), creating midday backup plan without penalizing daily workers, plus other changes I am contemplating for the future.
I do want to put the available budget to the best use to get the best value, plus a small morsel for the future too.
yeah, really it does come down to more than just this single port for this server -
Do you need two connections in case one fails? Do you need two switches in the backplane in case one fails? How many other SPF+ ports do you need?
We don't know how many ports you need where.
I try to keep things simple but not any simpler as the phrase goes.
We are an SMB with about 30 users and about 25 external clients that use our servers.
I don't have a need for multiple connections to multiple switches. I do have two separate racks though.One two post rack that holds Patch Panels for PC's and phones, Switches for phones (on a separate network), switch for pc's/printers and main router.
Second rack has all servers (4 total), two NAS's (old and new), SSL-VPN, switch for servers (currently connected via SPF+ to pc/printer switch)
I was thinking, three SPF+ for three vMware Hosts (one is backup server) and one SPF+ over to 2nd switch for PC's and Printers.
I don't NEED SPF+ just like I don't NEED SSD's in the new server (purchasing soon) but if the extra cost is small why not spend it and be done while also keeping things a little more simple.
Extra $150 for 10Gb simplifies two or three 1Gb connection. Extra $200 for two SSD's in RAID 1 vs 6 10K SAS in RAID 10.We keep our equipment around a long time, especially servers (7 years with Dell's warranty). This, IMHO, helps me get the value out of the extra money spent.
