WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions
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@marcinozga said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@DustinB3403 said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@marcinozga said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@wrx7m said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
LOL - It has begun.
Isolate it, give him admin, and let them crash and burn. Just make sure to CYA.
What fun is that. . . we have elevated users here and they just constantly install plugins as shortcuts to doing their job and then ask us to fix it.
It doesn't fix the problem and just causes more problems for us down the road.
You ask whoever is admin to fix it then. They asked to be admin, they must be Wordpress experts, no?
I highly doubt anyone here is a wordpress expert. I was told by one of the marketing ladies that she used to own a web design firm for 20 years. She also said that she didn't want to use wordpress for something else because it was open source so there was no accountability and there were too many hands in the cookie jar. So, I wrote her off on knowing anything of real value when it comes to this stuff.
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@wrx7m said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@marcinozga said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@DustinB3403 said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@marcinozga said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@wrx7m said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
LOL - It has begun.
Isolate it, give him admin, and let them crash and burn. Just make sure to CYA.
What fun is that. . . we have elevated users here and they just constantly install plugins as shortcuts to doing their job and then ask us to fix it.
It doesn't fix the problem and just causes more problems for us down the road.
You ask whoever is admin to fix it then. They asked to be admin, they must be Wordpress experts, no?
I highly doubt anyone here is a wordpress expert. I was told by one of the marketing ladies that she used to own a web design firm for 20 years. She also said that she didn't want to use wordpress for something else because it was open source so there was no accountability and there were too many hands in the cookie jar. So, I wrote her off on knowing anything of real value when it comes to this stuff.
I know they are not experts, that's the line you use to teach them a lesson when they screw up.
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@marcinozga said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@DustinB3403 I used that approach with some users in the past, nobody asks me for admin privileges to any systems anymore.
That's what we try here but with the "if you have admin access, we aren't touching it any more".
It takes it from an IT system to a different class with where we work.
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@wrx7m marketing people......
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@marcinozga said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
I know they are not experts, that's the line you use to teach them a lesson when they screw up.
@DustinB3403 said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
That's what we try here but with the "if you have admin access, we aren't touching it any more".
It takes it from an IT system to a different class with where we work.I am the only IT guy here. I don't have time to teach people lessons after they screw up something that should have been restricted in the first place.
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Oh great! let's just change themes on the fly
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@wrx7m said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@marcinozga said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
I know they are not experts, that's the line you use to teach them a lesson when they screw up.
@DustinB3403 said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
That's what we try here but with the "if you have admin access, we aren't touching it any more".
It takes it from an IT system to a different class with where we work.I am the only IT guy here. I don't have time to teach people lessons after they screw up something that should have been restricted in the first place.
Do you have time to keep explaining why admin access is a bad idea?
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@wrx7m said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
You should say: Yes there are major concerns of security and accountability with giving multiple people admin access. While the Editor role can not change the theme, add users or install plugins these restrictions are the same for the workstation you have. You can't install software, change the theme, add fonts etc. but are able to operate from your day to day.
If you require administrative access for this wordpress site, the IT department will not be able to assist you with it from the moment you have administrative rights as we will essentially be co-administrators with you which could cause severe conflicts between buggy addons, themes etc.
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@marcinozga said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@wrx7m said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@marcinozga said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
I know they are not experts, that's the line you use to teach them a lesson when they screw up.
@DustinB3403 said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
That's what we try here but with the "if you have admin access, we aren't touching it any more".
It takes it from an IT system to a different class with where we work.I am the only IT guy here. I don't have time to teach people lessons after they screw up something that should have been restricted in the first place.
Do you have time to keep explaining why admin access is a bad idea?
No, but I can copy and paste a response
I can't clone myself yet. -
Going back to the original question- If management wants them to be able to edit themes, is a plugin for creating granular permissions good to use?
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@wrx7m said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@marcinozga said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@wrx7m said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@marcinozga said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
I know they are not experts, that's the line you use to teach them a lesson when they screw up.
@DustinB3403 said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
That's what we try here but with the "if you have admin access, we aren't touching it any more".
It takes it from an IT system to a different class with where we work.I am the only IT guy here. I don't have time to teach people lessons after they screw up something that should have been restricted in the first place.
Do you have time to keep explaining why admin access is a bad idea?
No, but I can copy and paste a response
I can't clone myself yet.I would make the final explanation that, administrative access is for people who are going to be fully accountable for the site, including not just the content, theme, users or addons but also with ensuring the site is backed up and updated regularly.
If an addon, theme or user needs to be invited they can contact the IT department to request these changes are made.
If contacting IT is to cumbersome and they insist on Administrative access, save that communication as a CYA with a declaration that IT can't be asked to "Fix the wordpress" because there have been to many chefs in the kitchen.
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@wrx7m said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
Going back to the original question- If management wants them to be able to edit themes, is a plugin for creating granular permissions good to use?
Usually no, because those plugins are simply circumventing the installation and moving things into weird locations. And often break between versions.
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@DustinB3403 said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@wrx7m said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@marcinozga said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@wrx7m said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@marcinozga said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
I know they are not experts, that's the line you use to teach them a lesson when they screw up.
@DustinB3403 said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
That's what we try here but with the "if you have admin access, we aren't touching it any more".
It takes it from an IT system to a different class with where we work.I am the only IT guy here. I don't have time to teach people lessons after they screw up something that should have been restricted in the first place.
Do you have time to keep explaining why admin access is a bad idea?
No, but I can copy and paste a response
I can't clone myself yet.I would make the final explanation that, administrative access is for people who are going to be fully accountable for the site, including not just the content, theme, users or addons but also with ensuring the site is backed up and updated regularly.
If an addon, theme or user needs to be invited they can contact the IT department to request these changes are made.
If contacting IT is to cumbersome and they insist on Administrative access, save that communication as a CYA with a declaration that IT can't be asked to "Fix the wordpress" because there have been to many chefs in the kitchen.
I will tell them the first parts and hopefully be done with it.
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I think the only real response required should be to this.
"Let me know what you think"
R: I think it's a horrible idea that you have administrative rights to anything.
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@DustinB3403 said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
I think the only real response required should be to this.
"Let me know what you think"
R: I think it's a horrible idea that you have administrative rights to anything.
lol - I think she is being coached by Pam (the former web design firm owner).
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@wrx7m said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@DustinB3403 said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
I think the only real response required should be to this.
"Let me know what you think"
R: I think it's a horrible idea that you have administrative rights to anything.
lol - I think she is being coached by Pam (the former web design firm owner).
Tell the owner to pound sand, even if she has experience "designing" sites doesn't mean she has any practical understanding of how to maintain a site or server of any kind.
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@DustinB3403 said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@wrx7m said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
@DustinB3403 said in WordPress - Plugins to Manage and Extend User Roles/Permissions:
I think the only real response required should be to this.
"Let me know what you think"
R: I think it's a horrible idea that you have administrative rights to anything.
lol - I think she is being coached by Pam (the former web design firm owner).
Tell the owner to pound sand, even if she has experience "designing" sites doesn't mean she has any practical understanding of how to maintain a site or server of any kind.
Yeah. Exactly. If she is working here, in a different capacity, it doesn't give me any confidence in her ability to correctly manage any of this.
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My guess is she's setup and designed sites in the past and handed them off to a client, never to look at or touch ever again. Besides maybe a change here or there to verbiage or something along those lines.
She's attempting to be the IT department, when she's at best a developer, very likely just a money bag to get others to do the development. In no way should she have this access.
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Once you reach those avanced requests, Wordpress is not what you want , you need to check Drupal.
