is hosting advertisements directly on your website sly?
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So this stems from @JaredBusch topic on the Skytele billing.
Is it sly, to host advertisements on your website, knowing full well that many people use ad blockers and things like PiHole to avoid having to see ads and that hosting these images directly would circumvent all of the website users systems?
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@DustinB3403 said in is hosting advertisements directly on your website sly?:
s it sly, to host advertisements on your website,
No, it is the polar opposite.
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@DustinB3403 said in is hosting advertisements directly on your website sly?:
knowing full well that many people use ad blockers and things like PiHole to avoid having to see ads and that hosting these images directly would circumvent all of the website users systems?
What is "sly" would be using those systems and expecting them to do something that they are not designed to do, or advertising them as doing something that they are not meant to do.
That some ads are hosted one way, and some products block them in that way, in no way makes something that doesn't do those non-obvious things, sly.
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Let's give a simple example. You drive to work. You have two paths to work, one is quick and easy, one is longer and more complex but has a Dunkin Donuts along the way so if you want to buy some donuts, you have that option.
You know that many people like donuts. But you don't want to waste your money, so you drive to work the short way.
Years later, someone closes the road by the Dunkin Donuts.
Is it "sly" to have not been driving that way all that time?
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I'd have to say no. A vast majority of the problems I have with adds stem from 3rd party add services that don't even look at the adds they are serving until an issue occurs, and even then they often ignore it. Recent example are the Chrome extensions that were silently installing from 3rd party add banners, because everyone wants to see the latest news on the Kardashians popping up like it's a Windows notification.
Sites that host their own advertising keep have a much more vested interest in keeping that junk off their system.
There are some sites that are just horrible, even after being filtered by PiHole and add blockers. They won't get mentioned here tho.
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@DustinB3403 said in is hosting advertisements directly on your website sly?:
and that hosting these images directly would circumvent all of the website users systems?
I think you are missing the concept of circumventing.
This is your example. The logical, obvious path for ads between one point and another would rarely go through the gate. It is not sly to not go through the gate, it is illogical to even approach the gate unless doing so for some other reason.
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@travisdh1 said in is hosting advertisements directly on your website sly?:
I'd have to say no. A vast majority of the problems I have with adds stem from 3rd party add services that don't even look at the adds they are serving until an issue occurs, and even then they often ignore it. Recent example are the Chrome extensions that were silently installing from 3rd party add banners, because everyone wants to see the latest news on the Kardashians popping up like it's a Windows notification.
Sites that host their own advertising keep have a much more vested interest in keeping that junk off their system.
There are some sites that are just horrible, even after being filtered by PiHole and add blockers. They won't get mentioned here tho.
But more importantly, it's not circumventing anything. It's just ad blockers not doing what they claim to do, and in this case, Dustin just finding out what they don't block the ads, but block the services hosting the ads.
He's then claiming in reverse, that since some sly marketer claimed that their blocker would block ads, and it doesn't, that anyone that shows an ad that it doesn't block must be "circumventing" it, when, in reality, it simply didn't try to block anything.
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It's also worth noting that "sly" doesn't really apply to the advertisers, here. They are the content providers, it is the ad blockers themselves that are "sly" in this conversation.
Sly would include trying to use the site while not seeing the ad portions of the site. Knowing that the ads are part of a site and trying to not see them is intentionally circumventing the site's revenue. I'm not saying that that is wrong to do, we all hate ads and ad services, I use PiHole myself. But when I use a PiHole I know that I'm being "sly" to block services (not ads) that I don't want.
I also know that PiHole is being "sly" because it claims to block ads, when it does nothing of the sort, and actually blocks services that, by blocking, hopefully I get fewer ads. but it is the service hosts, not the ads, that are being blocked. So I know that their are circumventing the truth in how they present the product.
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I always use ad blockers because it makes the sites faster. I hate slow things and I also hate being tracked everywhere.
I've seen several small sites that does ads with images on their site. I don't have a problem with it even if it's easy to block them as well.Right now my adblocker blocks 32 elements on this page. Visually it's not much of a difference though.
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@Pete-S said in is hosting advertisements directly on your website sly?:
I always use ad blockers because it makes the sites faster. I hate slow things and I also hate being tracked everywhere.
I've seen several small sites that does ads with images on their site. I don't have a problem with it even if it's easy to block them as well.Right now my adblocker blocks 32 elements on this page.
Which means that it is blocking a lot of non-ads. Is that sly? lol
What is it blocking, given that there are only every two ads on any page?
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@Pete-S said in is hosting advertisements directly on your website sly?:
I always use ad blockers because it makes the sites faster. I hate slow things and I also hate being tracked everywhere.
I've seen several small sites that does ads with images on their site. I don't have a problem with it even if it's easy to block them as well.Ads here don't have any tracking (not getting tracked is a key reason why host our own), and are fully cached normally (another benefit to hosting our own) so you should get no benefits from your ad blocker here.
Actually, ad services "circumvent" normal caching systems making sites a lot slower.
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@scottalanmiller said in is hosting advertisements directly on your website sly?:
@Pete-S said in is hosting advertisements directly on your website sly?:
I always use ad blockers because it makes the sites faster. I hate slow things and I also hate being tracked everywhere.
I've seen several small sites that does ads with images on their site. I don't have a problem with it even if it's easy to block them as well.Right now my adblocker blocks 32 elements on this page.
Which means that it is blocking a lot of non-ads. Is that sly? lol
What is it blocking, given that there are only every two ads on any page?
I have no clue actually. I'm guessing javascript trackers. Cross-site stuff. Social media icons if you have any.
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@Pete-S said in is hosting advertisements directly on your website sly?:
@scottalanmiller said in is hosting advertisements directly on your website sly?:
@Pete-S said in is hosting advertisements directly on your website sly?:
I always use ad blockers because it makes the sites faster. I hate slow things and I also hate being tracked everywhere.
I've seen several small sites that does ads with images on their site. I don't have a problem with it even if it's easy to block them as well.Right now my adblocker blocks 32 elements on this page.
Which means that it is blocking a lot of non-ads. Is that sly? lol
What is it blocking, given that there are only every two ads on any page?
I have no clue actually. I'm guessing javascript trackers. Cross-site stuff. Social media icons if you have any.
Nope, none of that.
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The site has literally zero tracking (not even Google Analytics before someone says it) and nothing cross-site. No social media icons (which would be fine to have, we just don't have any.)
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@scottalanmiller It looks like it has to do with the dynamic nature of the site, so the counter will increase each time it blocks something. After a page refresh it's blocking 3 things. Two vultr images and one colo ntg ad. It's because they are inside the EasyList.
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@Pete-S said in is hosting advertisements directly on your website sly?:
@scottalanmiller It looks like it has to do with the dynamic nature of the site, so the counter will increase each time it blocks something. After a page refresh it's blocking 3 things. Two vultr images and one colo ntg ad. It's because they are inside the EasyList.
EasyList?
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@scottalanmiller said in is hosting advertisements directly on your website sly?:
@Pete-S said in is hosting advertisements directly on your website sly?:
@scottalanmiller It looks like it has to do with the dynamic nature of the site, so the counter will increase each time it blocks something. After a page refresh it's blocking 3 things. Two vultr images and one colo ntg ad. It's because they are inside the EasyList.
EasyList?
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I see, I've never used that, basically a key word list to look for in file names.
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@scottalanmiller said in is hosting advertisements directly on your website sly?:
I see, I've never used that, basically a key word list to look for in file names.
Yes, it's seems to be the default installed list for a lot of the browser adblockers out there.
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I see this in Privacy Badger add-on.
