Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?
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@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
What I mean by this is, for example, Dell can supply 4h mission critical hardware/drive replacement (or so) if something were to fail.
Dell can, unless you buy third party drives. Then the parts expected to fail aren't ones with support. Dell, SuperMicro, Western Digital... all the same here. Manufacturers warranty of just the parts that you buy from them.
But no one can do any kind of mission critical support for anywhere near your price point. Not even close.
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You have to choose how to approach this. Your budget is currently lower than the cost of parts with 100% of the expertise being in house and your time being spent. And you'll likely miss your budget by 30% even doing that. And that's without anything but "next week" parts delivery and probably you'd have to send the failed parts out before getting a replacement.
To get enterprise support costs big, big money. Really big. And something like this, I doubt someone like Dell will support period. This is a scale that all enterprise vendors will only deal with from their storage divisions. So with Dell, you are talking EMC Isilon and likely $80,000 or more.
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If you need hardware protection, by far your cheapest option is going to be maintaining your own spare parts. Expensive, but a fraction of the cost of a warranty. And way faster parts replacement (minutes, not hours or days.) And for the system itself, an MSP will lower your overall cost and get you support. Without that, you are stuck maintaining it with in house expertise and resources. Which if you have them, great. But if not... nothing is more expensive that the cost of attempting to run systems you can't maintain.
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@scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
If you need hardware protection, by far your cheapest option is going to be maintaining your own spare parts. Expensive, but a fraction of the cost of a warranty. And way faster parts replacement (minutes, not hours or days.) And for the system itself, an MSP will lower your overall cost and get you support. Without that, you are stuck maintaining it with in house expertise and resources. Which if you have them, great. But if not... nothing is more expensive that the cost of attempting to run systems you can't maintain.
Still, the budget is the budget. What else would you suggest? I know I could get a QNAP at this cost with the right storage, in RAID 10. May not bee a good idea, and I dont like QNAP, but it fits the budget...
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@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
Still, the budget is the budget. What else would you suggest? I know I could get a QNAP at this cost with the right storage, in RAID 10. May not bee a good idea, and I dont like QNAP, but it fits the budget...
The suggestion is that you either reduce what you need for storage, or expect that warranty would be parts only within the MFR stock terms.
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170TB Usable from different drives using some aggressive pricing... (prices in USD)
Drive Type Drives Needed in R10 Cost Per Drive Resulting Cost 15TB 24 NA ? 14TB 26 $598 $15548 12TB 30 $471 $14130 10TB 34 $395 $13430 8TB 44 $332 $14608 -
@DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
Still, the budget is the budget. What else would you suggest? I know I could get a QNAP at this cost with the right storage, in RAID 10. May not bee a good idea, and I dont like QNAP, but it fits the budget...
The suggestion is that you either reduce what you need for storage, or expect that warranty would be parts only within the MFR stock terms.
Parts only is fine. I was just curious if it 'came with anything else'...
I'll get that company to put a quote together, but worst case a shitty QNAP is still an option.
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@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
Still, the budget is the budget.
That's how consumers work, never how a business operates. Businesses work based on what they can invest in and what is best for the business. The concept of a fixed budget is not workable in a business context. That's pure insanity and leads to utter disaster.
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@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
but worst case a shitty QNAP is still an option
Not a real one, no.
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QNAP is also not a contender in this space, it's on par with a Synology (especially at this scale) and you'd still be limited to the manufacturer warranty.
If you use a vendor to buy the parts (and build it for you) you at least have the possible option of getting additional warranty from that vendor for the whole unit. (It caught on fire because you're guys are jackasses sorts of things).
But you don't have the budget to do this and have 6 years 24x7x4 hour parts warranty with the capacity needed.
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@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
I know I could get a QNAP at this cost with the right storage, in RAID 10.
You sure? How?
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@DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
QNAP is also not a contender in this space, it's on par with a Synology (especially at this scale) and you'd still be limited to the manufacturer warranty.
It has improved, but in no way is on par with Synology.
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@scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
170TB Usable from different drives using some aggressive pricing... (prices in USD)
Drive Type Drives Needed in R10 Cost Per Drive Resulting Cost 15TB 24 NA ? 14TB 26 $598 $15548 12TB 30 $471 $14130 10TB 34 $395 $13430 8TB 44 $332 $14608 I can get 14TB drive her in UK for £432.65, 26 of them = £11,248.90. So, I need to fix a box to use them for £3,750 or less...
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@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
May not bee a good idea, and I dont like QNAP, but it fits the budget...
If the budget doesn't allow for the need, you need to explain to the people making the false budget that they screwed up and you need to fix their thinking. What if they said the budget is $200, what would you do?
IT planning is a mix of "what we can go" and "what we can do" with "cost" and "needs" and "possible funding." All of that goes together. Locking any one of those factors arbitrarily means sabotage - wasting money just to hurt the business. They all have to float together to make a decision.
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@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
@DustinB3403 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
Still, the budget is the budget. What else would you suggest? I know I could get a QNAP at this cost with the right storage, in RAID 10. May not bee a good idea, and I dont like QNAP, but it fits the budget...
The suggestion is that you either reduce what you need for storage, or expect that warranty would be parts only within the MFR stock terms.
Parts only is fine. I was just curious if it 'came with anything else'...
I'll get that company to put a quote together, but worst case a shitty QNAP is still an option.
Parts only is what you'd get with any vendor who you buy this from. If you assembled it yourself you'd still have "parts only" but literally per piece per manufacturer that something was purchased from.
WD drives, WD 12 month warranty (maybe longer)
SM Chassis - SM warranty
SM motherboard - warranty for just that MB -
@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
I can get 14TB drive her in UK for £432.65, 26 of them = £11,248.90. So, I need to fix a box to use them for £3,750 or less...
No one is arguing that. Does QNAP make something in your price range?
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@scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
I know I could get a QNAP at this cost with the right storage, in RAID 10.
You sure? How?
Not saying its a good idea by any means, but:
24 bay NAS.
In Raid 10, that is 168 TB, could make do with that... would Raid 60 ever be an option here?
Total: £13,925.23p, unless I added it incorrectly.
Probably a bad idea, but its the budget I have available...
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A smaller unit from QNAP that isn't enough to meet the need is $7500 in the US. Way more than a SuperMicro would be that could meet the need. I don't see how QNAP is coming up for discussion, unless I'm missing something huge. One moment the budget is super tight, the next there is way more money to throw around, or I'm missing some massively cheap QNAP that I've never heard of.
We ruled out Synology, QNAP, and that whole category before because it was too expensive. If we go back to it because you can't afford to be cheaper, we have broken circular logic. They can't both be cheaper. But looking at prices here, QNAP must be like DOUBLE.
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@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
Not saying its a good idea by any means, but:
https://www.broadbandbuyer.com/products/35658-qnap-tvs-2472xu-rp-i5-8g/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImLiIoYXn4QIVy73tCh0pKQYDEAQYASABEgJ7NPD_BwE
24 bay NAS.24 bay isn't possible, it's too small for your requirement and, like the budget, the requirement is the requirement. So that rules out the QNAP.
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@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
@scottalanmiller said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
@Jimmy9008 said in Raid10, must use or another Raid limits?:
I know I could get a QNAP at this cost with the right storage, in RAID 10.
You sure? How?
Not saying its a good idea by any means, but:
24 bay NAS.
In Raid 10, that is 168 TB, could make do with that... would Raid 60 ever be an option here?
Total: £13,925.23p, unless I added it incorrectly.
Probably a bad idea, but its the budget I have available...
Using drives that will die faster than a dolphin stuck in the Sahara desert. . .
