Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email
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Kind of like ML categories. Having a handful of discrete places to organize things lets people search: serious posts, funny posts, platform announcements, job listings, etc. Things that never cross over between them. But if you do SW style folders with a folder for every possible thing, it doesn't work as you can't tell where things go as 100 folders apply to every topic.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller let's do a little test. I'll PM you my personal email (Outlook.com), and you can send me an email from whatever you want. I'll respond with gibberish, then archive the first email, then you respond and we'll see what it looks like. I'll do screenshots.
okay
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I only use it in GMAIL. Even then, I would prefer not to use it in most cases. For work, I never turn that shit on. It is easy to lose shit that way.
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As far as "organizing", I only use search folders (not subfolders) for a couple of things like to/from my boss and VARs. Everything just stays in the inbox. Makes it much easier to maintain.
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@scottalanmiller
Okay, so I replied to your first email, then archived it.Now I just received your second email, or the third email in the conversation.
It's showing up as a new conversation. Meaning, it's a folder by folder basis I'm assuming, and does not include the previous messages.
Edit: email is still set to pacific time.... need to fix that, it's a bit confusing now.
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@Obsolesce Yeah, that's not bad. Outlook definitely handles it better than many.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@Obsolesce Yeah, that's not bad. Outlook definitely handles it better than many.
Don't remember off hand with Gmail.
What I do know, is that I never miss emails in conversation view. I've only missed emials with Outlooks dumb "focused inbox" feature. But never with conversation view. I separate emails too after they are processed. But guess I use emial differently than you.
If the conversation is ongoing, I don't think I move it anywhere. If I have email tasks to do, I'll simply flag it for follow-up, or right-click on it to add as a task.... all while the conversation can continue to flow as normal.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@Obsolesce Yeah, that's not bad. Outlook definitely handles it better than many.
Don't remember off hand with Gmail.
What I do know, is that I never miss emails in conversation view. I've only missed emials with Outlooks dumb "focused inbox" feature. But never with conversation view. I separate emails too after they are processed. But guess I use emial differently than you.
If the conversation is ongoing, I don't think I move it anywhere. If I have email tasks to do, I'll simply flag it for follow-up, or right-click on it to add as a task.... all while the conversation can continue to flow as normal.
Yeah, the focused inbox is something that created havoc when they first rolled that out and enabled it by default. All my users were missing messages. Now, I turn that off prior to giving out new systems.
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@wrx7m said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@Obsolesce Yeah, that's not bad. Outlook definitely handles it better than many.
Don't remember off hand with Gmail.
What I do know, is that I never miss emails in conversation view. I've only missed emials with Outlooks dumb "focused inbox" feature. But never with conversation view. I separate emails too after they are processed. But guess I use emial differently than you.
If the conversation is ongoing, I don't think I move it anywhere. If I have email tasks to do, I'll simply flag it for follow-up, or right-click on it to add as a task.... all while the conversation can continue to flow as normal.
Yeah, the focused inbox is something that created havoc when they first rolled that out and enabled it by default. All my users were missing messages. Now, I turn that off prior to giving out new systems.
At my last job, we disabled it globally in O365, as NOBODY wanted it.
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@Obsolesce I will have to check to see if anyone is actually using it by choice. If not, I will look into doing that.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@Obsolesce Yeah, that's not bad. Outlook definitely handles it better than many.
Don't remember off hand with Gmail.
What I do know, is that I never miss emails in conversation view. I've only missed emials with Outlooks dumb "focused inbox" feature. But never with conversation view. I separate emails too after they are processed. But guess I use emial differently than you.
If the conversation is ongoing, I don't think I move it anywhere. If I have email tasks to do, I'll simply flag it for follow-up, or right-click on it to add as a task.... all while the conversation can continue to flow as normal.
Focused Inbox, Clutter that you can't turn off... so many other issues with MS mailboxes
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@DustinB3403 well there you go, found the problem...you're using Outlook
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I only use CV within Gmail (have since 2014-09-01) and could not imagine going back to the old way. I've tried a few times and it was painful.
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CV works pretty well in Zoho.
I can toll the whole chain into any folder or archive it or whatever. Even delete one of the middle emails in the chain, no problem. When a new email shows up, the entire chain basically goes to the top of the inbox again.
I like it because it just that easy to read the last one or two emails to remember what's going on.
In Thunderbird, even when not using CV, I would very often right-click the email and open the full chain to do just that, see them all in order of send/receive, it's quite handy.
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@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
CV works pretty well in Zoho.
Because... Zoho
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@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I like it because it just that easy to read the last one or two emails to remember what's going on.
Those are normally in the email already, though, so I never run into that problem.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I like it because it just that easy to read the last one or two emails to remember what's going on.
Those are normally in the email already, though, so I never run into that problem.
Very true, but then it's the same difference, you're just getting a view of previous emails under the current one.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
CV works pretty well in Zoho.
Because... Zoho
Ya their email is pretty nice, but CV is not without issues.
Sometimes, for example, when looking at an email, I want to delete it. It's hard to know what the delete is actually doing. Sometimes it will only delete the one email in the chain that I'm looking at. Other times it appears to delete the entire chain so the whole thing disappears. It seems inconsistent. Sometimes I want to delete the whole chain since it's not needed for anything, but I don't think Zoho is actually deleting all the received and sent emails in the chain, it might just be deleting the one I'm looking at, and then hiding the rest? I don't know really know how that works to be honest.
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@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
CV works pretty well in Zoho.
Because... Zoho
Ya their email is pretty nice, but CV is not without issues.
Sometimes, for example, when looking at an email, I want to delete it. It's hard to know what the delete is actually doing. Sometimes it will only delete the one email in the chain that I'm looking at. Other times it appears to delete the entire chain so the whole thing disappears. It seems inconsistent. Sometimes I want to delete the whole chain since it's not needed for anything, but I don't think Zoho is actually deleting all the received and sent emails in the chain, it might just be deleting the one I'm looking at, and then hiding the rest? I don't know really know how that works to be honest.
That's probably my underlying concern with CV across the board, it shows things in an abstracted way and it is very difficult as the human to understand what you are seeing and how it will react to actions you take.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@guyinpv said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
CV works pretty well in Zoho.
Because... Zoho
Ya their email is pretty nice, but CV is not without issues.
Sometimes, for example, when looking at an email, I want to delete it. It's hard to know what the delete is actually doing. Sometimes it will only delete the one email in the chain that I'm looking at. Other times it appears to delete the entire chain so the whole thing disappears. It seems inconsistent. Sometimes I want to delete the whole chain since it's not needed for anything, but I don't think Zoho is actually deleting all the received and sent emails in the chain, it might just be deleting the one I'm looking at, and then hiding the rest? I don't know really know how that works to be honest.
That's probably my underlying concern with CV across the board, it shows things in an abstracted way and it is very difficult as the human to understand what you are seeing and how it will react to actions you take.
Not at all difficult for me to understand and use effectively and efficiently.
