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    Commercial Desktops vs. Whiteboxes

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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
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      It didn't score too hot on performance.

      http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/cpu/AMD+A10-5800K/review

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      • scottalanmillerS
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        Was thinking something closer to....

        http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Phenom-1035T-2-60GHz-Processor/dp/B005T288QW/ref=sr_1_13?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1416849526&sr=1-13&keywords=amd+phenom+ii+x6

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller
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          But the A10 does save a ton of money, I see lots of value there. If it is really blowing away the normal desktop performance. What does it compare well to?

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
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            Looking at this one...

            http://pcpartpicker.com/p/QKGsjX

            If we remove the optical drive (no need for that) and replace the HD with an SSD maybe it makes sense.

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            • Mike RalstonM
              Mike Ralston @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said:

              Was thinking something closer to....

              http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Phenom-1035T-2-60GHz-Processor/dp/B005T288QW/ref=sr_1_13?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1416849526&sr=1-13&keywords=amd+phenom+ii+x6

              http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1035T-vs-AMD-A10-5800K

              The 5800K is a faster CPU than that in every way. And for comparing it to an Nvidia GPU... Hard to say, as the APU depends on Southbridge and RAM speed and amount quite heavily... A tad slower than a GTX 550, I would say.

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              • scottalanmillerS
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                When you are using the A10, does your OS see all four cores? Someone had one in SW and they only saw half of their cores.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Mike Ralston
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                  @Mike-Ralston said:

                  http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1035T-vs-AMD-A10-5800K

                  The 5800K is a faster CPU than that in every way.

                  Well no, that link specifically put the X6 as faster in performance. The A series was only faster in single threaded operations, as would be expected. That link uses overclocking as a determination for overall winner. So that link actually says to me, quite clearly, that the X6 is faster for business use based on whatever measuring tool that they used. However, it still might not be a great value if the price isn't good. But faster, it clearly is, when moving beyond single threaded workloads. And for business use, effectively everything is heavily threaded.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
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                    a10x6perf.png

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                    • Mike RalstonM
                      Mike Ralston @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by Mike Ralston

                      @scottalanmiller That site is based around gaming performance, business use is so much lighter than that. Unless you're planning on having employees doing serious gaming, or multiple VM's at once, anything more than this is complete over-kill... I guess the best thing for me to ask is this: WHAT do you want these machines to do, and at what price point?

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                      • Minion QueenM
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                        I am running an AMD-FX 4100 Quadcore. It runs great for me. For instance right now I have 10 Explorer pages open, 5 Chrome and 4 Firefox (which keeps crashing). Outlook, Lync and Skype. And am using ITunes to listen to music. With no issues at all.

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                        • Mike RalstonM
                          Mike Ralston @Minion Queen
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                          @Minion-Queen And what CPU usage are you at?

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                          • Minion QueenM
                            Minion Queen
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                            20% right now

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                            • Mike RalstonM
                              Mike Ralston @Minion Queen
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                              @Minion-Queen Only having 8GB of RAM (the standard recommended amount) is more of a bottleneck than the CPU. You're close to 60% RAM usage, right?

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                              • Minion QueenM
                                Minion Queen
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                                75% RAM usage.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
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                                  How much more to spec at 16GB?

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                                  • Mike RalstonM
                                    Mike Ralston @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller 8GB is enough. The point I was making is that those CPU's are more than enough. But, I can get 16GB for between $150-$200.

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                                    • Mike RalstonM
                                      Mike Ralston @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller What do you want these machines to do, and at what price point?

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @Mike Ralston
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                                        @Mike-Ralston said:

                                        @scottalanmiller What do you want these machines to do, and at what price point?

                                        Standard desktops for everyone to use. Not for running VMs (we have the lab for that), but for documents, lots of web browsers, LogMeIn sessions, PuTTY, etc.

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                                        • thanksajdotcomT
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                                          Somehow missed this conversation when I posted my recent thread. This is a niche situation though, compared to 99.9% of businesses in the world. That being said, I think it'd work.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller
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                                            Same things that the existing machines, the dc5850s, just aren't cutting it for anymore. With triple core, 6GB, screaming fast SSD and discrete NVidia GPU they are great for their age, amazing in fact, and were super affordable, but they are showing their age. The unbelievable amounts of JavaScript that they have to run and the number of different things that people have running is just too much for them. Our use cases have increases quite a bit.

                                            And running big IDEs like RubyMine and VisualStudio take a toll too.

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