After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded
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"As far as I'm concerned, SLS and Orion are doing their jobs of providing work."
"SLS and Orion are political projects, not practical ones," Forczyk told Ars.
"As far as I'm concerned, SLS and Orion are doing their jobs of providing work for NASA centers and contractors and giving the US a sense of national pride to have a major goal to work toward," Forczyk said. "They are not meant to be quick, cost efficient, or sustainable. They are symbolic grand acts of a grand nation."
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@scottalanmiller said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
"They are not meant to be quick, cost efficient, or sustainable. They are symbolic grand acts of a grand nation."*
Uh what?
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@Dashrender said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@scottalanmiller said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
"They are not meant to be quick, cost efficient, or sustainable. They are symbolic grand acts of a grand nation."*
Uh what?
It's exactly what I've said for years... it's nothing more than a big welfare project designed to hide unemployment from the masses.
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@scottalanmiller said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@Dashrender said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@scottalanmiller said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
"They are not meant to be quick, cost efficient, or sustainable. They are symbolic grand acts of a grand nation."*
Uh what?
It's exactly what I've said for years... it's nothing more than a big welfare project designed to hide unemployment from the masses.
I've never heard you say that about NASA, but they clearly are saying that about NASA now.
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@scottalanmiller said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@Dashrender said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@scottalanmiller said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
"They are not meant to be quick, cost efficient, or sustainable. They are symbolic grand acts of a grand nation."*
Uh what?
It's exactly what I've said for years... it's nothing more than a big welfare project designed to hide unemployment from the masses.
wow such statement, but i guess your right in a sense if could be spend else where
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What's worse, is that it's a joke. It isn't a "grand act", it's a failure that shows the world that America can't operate efficiently or effectively and just throws huge sums at ineffective welfare rather than actually producing something of value. NASA has become a laughing stock as private companies blow their doors off over and over again and as other countries invest less and catch up quickly.
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@Emad-R said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@scottalanmiller said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@Dashrender said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@scottalanmiller said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
"They are not meant to be quick, cost efficient, or sustainable. They are symbolic grand acts of a grand nation."*
Uh what?
It's exactly what I've said for years... it's nothing more than a big welfare project designed to hide unemployment from the masses.
wow such statement, but i guess your right in a sense if could be spend else where
If NASA's job was to produce something, it would be doing the kind of work that SpaceX is doing. Instead, it's job is to be big, slow, and bloated and create unneeded jobs which looks great for presidents who then claim that the unemployment numbers are low, when really it's just hidden in government bloat.
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@scottalanmiller said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
What's worse, is that it's a joke. It isn't a "grand act", it's a failure that shows the world that America can't operate efficiently or effectively and just throws huge sums at ineffective welfare rather than actually producing something of value. NASA has become a laughing stock as private companies blow their doors off over and over again and as other countries invest less and catch up quickly.
Exactly. This is NOT the way we should be wellfaring this country.
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While all true NASA is a tiny fraction of the issue on welfare and fake jobs, etc.
It has also been consistently hobbled by various congresses for decades.
NASA could not do a good job if it wanted to.
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@JaredBusch said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
NASA could not do a good job if it wanted to.
Any part of the government could if that was what it was supposed to do. The issue isn't the concept of having a national space agency, it's the reality of what the US has. It's not a space agency with a political problem. It's a political problem with a space agency facade.
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@scottalanmiller said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@JaredBusch said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
NASA could not do a good job if it wanted to.
Any part of the government could if that was what it was supposed to do. The issue isn't the concept of having a national space agency, it's the reality of what the US has. It's not a space agency with a political problem. It's a political problem with a space agency facade.
Right
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besides I dont understand the rush of finding aliens and other species , it is not like we get along fine under the same species.
Whats the rush of meeting our future oppressors , just come to the middle east.
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@JaredBusch said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
While all true NASA is a tiny fraction of the issue on welfare and fake jobs, etc.
Totally agree. There are way bigger fish to fry. But few have the false glory that NASA does. People generally feel that it would be an impressive job to say that you work for NASA. But if someone says that they work for NASA, I just hear "I'm a tax burden on you, but make a lot of money instead of being forced to live in poverty and look for respectable work like a normal welfare recipient." I find NASA far worse than normal welfare, because it's trying to make those unemployable look better than the actual workers earning the money to pay their welfare checks. Glorifying welfare recipients above the workers is a horrible thing. Working at NASA should be a mark of shame, not pride (and to be, it definitely is.)
Everyone needs work, that's fine. But no one needs work setting America's tax dollars on fire like our economy is a big joke.
In the old days, we could at least make the argument that NASA had a role in employing the best and brightest to make sure that they had a place to go, even if their work was largely wasted. It at least kept them from defecting to do more interesting work elsewhere. But today, NASA is bottom rung on a big ladder. Not only do other countries have better space agencies, but even within the US there are several private firms who actually hire the good people. NASA is now just the catch all for those with looser ethics and less marketable skills.
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@Emad-R said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
besides I dont understand the rush of finding aliens and other species , it is not like we get along fine under the same species.
Whats the rush of meeting our future oppressors , just come to the middle east.
There is no rush at all. None. That's part of the point. That's what people are told NASA is trying to do, but it's not trying to do anything but waste money. All that discovery stuff is a facade. It's a big job creator and money waster, it's not about exploration or research.
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But we need our Memory Foam and a few other expensive inventions . Ugh
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@pmoncho said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
But we need our Memory Foam and a few other expensive inventions . Ugh
NASA didn't invent that, though. NASA paid for it, but a private firm that does actual research invented it. That kind of stuff I'm okay with, but we can do all of that without NASA wasting resources in the middle.
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@scottalanmiller said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@pmoncho said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
But we need our Memory Foam and a few other expensive inventions . Ugh
NASA didn't invent that, though. NASA paid for it, but a private firm that does actual research invented it. That kind of stuff I'm okay with, but we can do all of that without NASA wasting resources in the middle.
Howstuffworks states its a NASA invention.
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@pmoncho said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@scottalanmiller said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@pmoncho said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
But we need our Memory Foam and a few other expensive inventions . Ugh
NASA didn't invent that, though. NASA paid for it, but a private firm that does actual research invented it. That kind of stuff I'm okay with, but we can do all of that without NASA wasting resources in the middle.
Howstuffworks states its a NASA invention.
Wikipedia says that it was a NASA Ames contractor that did it.
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@scottalanmiller said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@pmoncho said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@scottalanmiller said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@pmoncho said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
But we need our Memory Foam and a few other expensive inventions . Ugh
NASA didn't invent that, though. NASA paid for it, but a private firm that does actual research invented it. That kind of stuff I'm okay with, but we can do all of that without NASA wasting resources in the middle.
Howstuffworks states its a NASA invention.
Wikipedia says that it was a NASA Ames contractor that did it.
Right. Almost everything is contracted.
Contracted for NASA, so they get the rights. but they themselves did not do it.
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@scottalanmiller said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@pmoncho said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@scottalanmiller said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
@pmoncho said in After nearly $50 billion, NASA’s deep-space plans remain grounded:
But we need our Memory Foam and a few other expensive inventions . Ugh
NASA didn't invent that, though. NASA paid for it, but a private firm that does actual research invented it. That kind of stuff I'm okay with, but we can do all of that without NASA wasting resources in the middle.
Howstuffworks states its a NASA invention.
Wikipedia says that it was a NASA Ames contractor that did it.
Based on a couple other things I just read, it looks like NASA had the idea and then farmed it out. Either way, still used NASA dollars.
