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    • wrx7mW
      wrx7m @stacksofplates
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      @stacksofplates said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

      @irj said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

      I'm looking over the change log and don't really see anything ground breaking from 28 to 29. It looks like alot of defaults have changed, but I don't see too much beyond that.

      Yeah I think a lot of effort is going towards modularity and Silverblue.

      I am trying to figure out what silverblue is. Their site is kind of ambiguous for someone out of the loop.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @wrx7m
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        @wrx7m said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

        @stacksofplates said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

        @irj said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

        I'm looking over the change log and don't really see anything ground breaking from 28 to 29. It looks like alot of defaults have changed, but I don't see too much beyond that.

        Yeah I think a lot of effort is going towards modularity and Silverblue.

        I am trying to figure out what silverblue is. Their site is kind of ambiguous for someone out of the loop.

        Basically, build Fedora desktop using Flatpak instead of DNF and RPMs.

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        • wrx7mW
          wrx7m @scottalanmiller
          last edited by

          @scottalanmiller said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

          @wrx7m said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

          @stacksofplates said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

          @irj said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

          I'm looking over the change log and don't really see anything ground breaking from 28 to 29. It looks like alot of defaults have changed, but I don't see too much beyond that.

          Yeah I think a lot of effort is going towards modularity and Silverblue.

          I am trying to figure out what silverblue is. Their site is kind of ambiguous for someone out of the loop.

          Basically, build Fedora desktop using Flatpak instead of DNF and RPMs.

          Thanks. I saw flatpak, but didn't realize it was an alternative to dnf and rpm

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          • black3dynamiteB
            black3dynamite @wrx7m
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            @wrx7m said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

            @scottalanmiller said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

            @wrx7m said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

            @stacksofplates said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

            @irj said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

            I'm looking over the change log and don't really see anything ground breaking from 28 to 29. It looks like alot of defaults have changed, but I don't see too much beyond that.

            Yeah I think a lot of effort is going towards modularity and Silverblue.

            I am trying to figure out what silverblue is. Their site is kind of ambiguous for someone out of the loop.

            Basically, build Fedora desktop using Flatpak instead of DNF and RPMs.

            Thanks. I saw flatpak, but didn't realize it was an alternative to dnf and rpm

            I believe Canonical is going that route but using snap instead.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @black3dynamite
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              @black3dynamite said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

              @wrx7m said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

              @scottalanmiller said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

              @wrx7m said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

              @stacksofplates said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

              @irj said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

              I'm looking over the change log and don't really see anything ground breaking from 28 to 29. It looks like alot of defaults have changed, but I don't see too much beyond that.

              Yeah I think a lot of effort is going towards modularity and Silverblue.

              I am trying to figure out what silverblue is. Their site is kind of ambiguous for someone out of the loop.

              Basically, build Fedora desktop using Flatpak instead of DNF and RPMs.

              Thanks. I saw flatpak, but didn't realize it was an alternative to dnf and rpm

              I believe Canonical is going that route but using snap instead.

              Probably, it's been seen as the "cool new thing" now. The pendulum swings.

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              • FATeknollogeeF
                FATeknollogee
                last edited by FATeknollogee

                For reference: https://silverblue.fedoraproject.org/

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                • FATeknollogeeF
                  FATeknollogee
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                  Like @scottalanmiller said, no dnf...

                  0_1537654262361_no_dnf.png

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                    @fateknollogee how does the kernel and libraries get updated?

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                    • FATeknollogeeF
                      FATeknollogee @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

                      @fateknollogee how does the kernel and libraries get updated?.

                      Great question...there was a small update. I did via the "Software" menu
                      0_1537654862054_soft.png

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                        @fateknollogee how is the third party library? Like what if I have an RPM to add to it, and there is no DNF?

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                        • FATeknollogeeF
                          FATeknollogee @scottalanmiller
                          last edited by

                          @scottalanmiller said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

                          @fateknollogee how is the third party library? Like what if I have an RPM to add to it, and there is no DNF?

                          After, I saw your post, I literally just fired it up (as a vm).
                          Let me try to add some RPM's & a few snaps.
                          I'll be right back.

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                          • FATeknollogeeF
                            FATeknollogee
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                            Tried to install RPM form here: https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/ = "Failed to install file: not supported"
                            0_1537655768142_no_rpm.png

                            Slack from the Flathub installed ok.

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                            • StuartJordanS
                              StuartJordan @scottalanmiller
                              last edited by

                              @scottalanmiller how would you update and install packages without dnf, I use Ubuntu and would be weird if they removed apt...
                              Is there a separate command for kernel and repos updates?

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                              • FATeknollogeeF
                                FATeknollogee
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                                Flathub version of LibreOffice (v6.1.1.2) available from the Software section installs without a hitch.

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                                • FATeknollogeeF
                                  FATeknollogee
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                                  btw, this kernel is 4.18.5-300.fc29.x86_64

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                                  • stacksofplatesS
                                    stacksofplates @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

                                    @fateknollogee how is the third party library? Like what if I have an RPM to add to it, and there is no DNF?

                                    I haven't had a chance to use Silverblue yet, but on atomic (renamed to Silverblue) you could install RPMs but they were installed on an overlay filesystem. Pretty much everything on here is flatpak/snap or Docker.

                                    It's actually pretty cool. It uses ostree for updates. I watched a guy rebase his OS from Fedora to CentOS and back and nothing changed from the user perspective. Pretty interesting.

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                                    • FATeknollogeeF
                                      FATeknollogee
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                                      To upgrade: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/upgrades/

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                                      • FATeknollogeeF
                                        FATeknollogee @stacksofplates
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                                        @stacksofplates said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

                                        @fateknollogee how is the third party library? Like what if I have an RPM to add to it, and there is no DNF?

                                        I haven't had a chance to use Silverblue yet, but on atomic (renamed to Silverblue) you could install RPMs but they were installed on an overlay filesystem. Pretty much everything on here is flatpak/snap or Docker.

                                        It's actually pretty cool. It uses ostree for updates. I watched a guy rebase his OS from Fedora to CentOS and back and nothing changed from the user perspective. Pretty interesting.

                                        I have to agree, just quickly scanning the docs, I like what I'm seeing.

                                        So far for me, no regrets using fc 26/27/28 as my daily machine after many years on Win 7/8/8.1/10.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @StuartJordan
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                                          @stuartjordan said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

                                          @scottalanmiller how would you update and install packages without dnf, I use Ubuntu and would be weird if they removed apt...

                                          Ubuntu is headed in the same directly. You'd use SNAP instead of APT. But how it handles things like the kernel, I've no idea.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                                            @fateknollogee said in Fedora 29 Workstation...thinkin' ahead:

                                            Flathub version of LibreOffice (v6.1.1.2) available from the Software section installs without a hitch.

                                            Thanks with Flatpaks are easy. It's things without them that are hard.

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