Router / AP / Switch for business
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@ccwtech said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
I know that you need to have a business class router (access point, switch, etc.) for a business, but having problems articulating why.
Because businesses use business equipment, not toys. And they don't waste time discussing it, as 30 minutes of talking about it costs more than the equipment in question. This is a 10 second conversation - a real business can't waste time trying to buy junk when enterprise gear is the same price, there is no way to recoup the cost of the decision process.
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@ccwtech said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
I have a client who has an NETGEAR Nighthawk R7000 and I am trying to recommend going to Ubiquity gear.
What are some good talking points that I can use to educate them as far as WHY business class is a must?
- Cost savings up front.
- Security.
- Manageability.
- Visibility.
- Low term cost savings.
- Not looking like a right fool to anyone, IT or otherwise, who sees what gear they run.
- Prestige.
- Professionalism.
- Because the people they pay for advice said so.
- Because they didn't come up with a compelling counter argument.
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@storageninja said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
Assuming he hasn't patched it in a while...
http://[RouterIP]/cgi-bin/;REBOOT
Hahahahahahhahahahahah
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@storageninja said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
Assuming he hasn't patched it in a while...
http://[RouterIP]/cgi-bin/;REBOOT
That was awesome!
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The cost of one ubiquiti router is faster and more secure than any home use router. It's also cheaper. If you wanted to pony up and pay for a crappy router for gaming you can pony up and pay for a proper router. I mean that's the whole point of UBNT. Low cost, enterprise grade equipment. Personally since they are tiny, I'd get the USG since performance isn't an issue and neither was their routing lol.
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@storageninja DUDE you were thinking exactly what I was!
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@jaredbusch said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
I'd get the USG
Never.
Only issue I've seen is the same thing you'll see on any router/firwall. Turn on all the features and line rate drops. If it drops below what your line can handle it gets annoying.
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@storageninja said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
@jaredbusch said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
I'd get the USG
Never.
Only issue I've seen is the same thing you'll see on any router/firwall. Turn on all the features and line rate drops. If it drops below what your line can handle it gets annoying.
I just severely dislike the USG in general. The EdgeOS line are great as long as you understand their specs and limitations. The USG is just an ERL with UniFi firmware.
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@jaredbusch said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
is just an ERL with UniFi firm
Right, but it's just 10 people. The minute something becomes advanced I'd move to an ER-4 or ER-6.
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@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
@jaredbusch said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
is just an ERL with UniFi firm
Right, but it's just 10 people. The minute something becomes advanced I'd move to an ER-4 or ER-6.
But even if not advanced, why the USG?
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@scottalanmiller just to match with the Unifi gear
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I think what they should do is nix the Unfi line and merge it and allow you to choose colors
but then other people wouldn't like that. Unifi is pretty cheap and works fine. USG I know has been the scorn for a lot of folks, but it does work for the most part -
@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
Unifi is pretty cheap and works fine. USG I know has been the scorn for a lot of folks, but it does work for the most part
No, it's not cheap and doesn't work fine. It's double the cost and extra effort. Exactly bad for the exact group it's "in theory" supposed to be good for. It doesn't "work fine" because being cost effective is a key part of that definition. It costs too much.
Instead of coming up with why it is "not so bad", why is it "good" in any way? What's the driving factor pushing you to double the cost versus the EdgeRouter line?
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@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
@scottalanmiller just to match with the Unifi gear
But... how is that really useful?
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@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
USG
But Scott a USG cost 100 bucks. That's gotta be cheaper than that Night Hawk!
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You know I'd personally only do ER
but for this guy with the night hawk 
a USG is nothing short of an improvement but if the owner was being serious about his business then yea I'd stick with ER-4 or 6 -
@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
USG
But Scott a USG cost 100 bucks. That's gotta be cheaper than that Night Hawk!
That's a false comparison. The competitor is the ERX for $45.
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@krisleslie said in Router / AP / Switch for business:
You know I'd personally only do ER
but for this guy with the night hawk a USG is nothing short of an improvement but if the owner was being serious about his business then yea I'd stick with ER-4 or 6That something is an improvement is never an okay guide. The goal is to make a good decision for them, not a bad decision that is better than an even worse decision made previously.
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@scottalanmiller Good point
