Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff
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@pete-s said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@jaredbusch Wouldn't you get higher transfer rate if you disabled QoS? 66 Mbps is not impressive.
Maybe 10 years ago I bought the cheapest D-link home router I could find, i think it was $30 or something, for an emergency situation. It would push 95+ Mbps on a 100/10 fiber.
ANd how do your phone calls and such sound on that cheap D-Link? When 30 people are online at work?
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@jaredbusch said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@pete-s said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@jaredbusch Wouldn't you get higher transfer rate if you disabled QoS? 66 Mbps is not impressive.
Maybe 10 years ago I bought the cheapest D-link home router I could find, i think it was $30 or something, for an emergency situation. It would push 95+ Mbps on a 100/10 fiber.
ANd how do your phone calls and such sound on that cheap D-Link? When 30 people are online at work?
Don't know. Back then we had ISDN for phones.
But the reason I mentioned it was just lack of knowledge from my part. I assumed that if a cheap home router could do 100Mbps of straight routing in 2008 then even a low cost enterprise router should breeze through 100Mbps of traffic shaping and what have you.
But I have never used an Ubiquiti Edgerouter so I thought they were more powerful. Looking closer I now see they have very modest hardware specs so then 66Mbps of QoS makes complete sense.
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@pete-s said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@jaredbusch said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@pete-s said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@jaredbusch Wouldn't you get higher transfer rate if you disabled QoS? 66 Mbps is not impressive.
Maybe 10 years ago I bought the cheapest D-link home router I could find, i think it was $30 or something, for an emergency situation. It would push 95+ Mbps on a 100/10 fiber.
ANd how do your phone calls and such sound on that cheap D-Link? When 30 people are online at work?
Don't know. Back then we had ISDN for phones.
But the reason I mentioned it was just lack of knowledge from my part. I assumed that if a cheap home router could do 100Mbps of straight routing in 2008 then even a low cost enterprise router should breeze through 100Mbps of traffic shaping and what have you.
But I have never used an Ubiquiti Edgerouter so I thought they were more powerful. Looking closer I now see they have very modest hardware specs so then 66Mbps of QoS makes complete sense.
And if you compare them to something like a Cisco ISR 4221 and ISR 4321, the ER-X still comes out ahead performance wise. I don't think we even need to discuss price point!
Cisco's own comparison chart: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/routers/4000-series-integrated-services-routers-isr/models-comparison.html
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If you qualify for non profit pricing through something like techsoup you might not have to look at the bottom of the price/performance ratio (MSRP-wise).
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@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
If you qualify for non profit pricing through something like techsoup you might not have to look at the bottom of the price/performance ratio (MSRP-wise).
A quick glance at techsoup looks like only old, probably no longer supported by the manufacturer hardware, for the networking things at least. Nothing I'd want to actually deploy at least. If you need licensing that is offered there then yes. Unless the offerings change a lot after you log in, as I don't have an account.
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@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
If you qualify for non profit pricing through something like techsoup you might not have to look at the bottom of the price/performance ratio (MSRP-wise).
A quick glance at techsoup looks like only old, probably no longer supported by the manufacturer hardware, for the networking things at least. Nothing I'd want to actually deploy at least. If you need licensing that is offered there then yes. Unless the offerings change a lot after you log in, as I don't have an account.
Not sure what all you're looking at. I took a glance at the Cisco gear and all the ones I looked at are still supported with no announced EOL or EOS.
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@pete-s said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@jaredbusch said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@pete-s said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@jaredbusch Wouldn't you get higher transfer rate if you disabled QoS? 66 Mbps is not impressive.
Maybe 10 years ago I bought the cheapest D-link home router I could find, i think it was $30 or something, for an emergency situation. It would push 95+ Mbps on a 100/10 fiber.
ANd how do your phone calls and such sound on that cheap D-Link? When 30 people are online at work?
Don't know. Back then we had ISDN for phones.
But the reason I mentioned it was just lack of knowledge from my part. I assumed that if a cheap home router could do 100Mbps of straight routing in 2008 then even a low cost enterprise router should breeze through 100Mbps of traffic shaping and what have you.
But I have never used an Ubiquiti Edgerouter so I thought they were more powerful. Looking closer I now see they have very modest hardware specs so then 66Mbps of QoS makes complete sense.
Without QoS, the ERL can do nearly gigabit routing.
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@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
If you qualify for non profit pricing through something like techsoup you might not have to look at the bottom of the price/performance ratio (MSRP-wise).
A quick glance at techsoup looks like only old, probably no longer supported by the manufacturer hardware, for the networking things at least. Nothing I'd want to actually deploy at least. If you need licensing that is offered there then yes. Unless the offerings change a lot after you log in, as I don't have an account.
Not sure what all you're looking at. I took a glance at the Cisco gear and all the ones I looked at are still supported with no announced EOL or EOS.
They haven't discontinued support for the ASA line yet? Guess if people keep paying support costs for it, they'll keep it officially supported.
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@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
If you qualify for non profit pricing through something like techsoup you might not have to look at the bottom of the price/performance ratio (MSRP-wise).
A quick glance at techsoup looks like only old, probably no longer supported by the manufacturer hardware, for the networking things at least. Nothing I'd want to actually deploy at least. If you need licensing that is offered there then yes. Unless the offerings change a lot after you log in, as I don't have an account.
Not sure what all you're looking at. I took a glance at the Cisco gear and all the ones I looked at are still supported with no announced EOL or EOS.
They haven't discontinued support for the ASA line yet? Guess if people keep paying support costs for it, they'll keep it officially supported.
ASA is just a branding any more. It is essentially meaningless now except as a marketing term. The models that they offer are brand new with no EOS or EOL. For example: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/security/asa-5506-x-firepower-services/model.html.
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@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
If you qualify for non profit pricing through something like techsoup you might not have to look at the bottom of the price/performance ratio (MSRP-wise).
A quick glance at techsoup looks like only old, probably no longer supported by the manufacturer hardware, for the networking things at least. Nothing I'd want to actually deploy at least. If you need licensing that is offered there then yes. Unless the offerings change a lot after you log in, as I don't have an account.
Not sure what all you're looking at. I took a glance at the Cisco gear and all the ones I looked at are still supported with no announced EOL or EOS.
They haven't discontinued support for the ASA line yet? Guess if people keep paying support costs for it, they'll keep it officially supported.
ASA is just a branding any more. It is essentially meaningless now except as a marketing term. The models that they offer are brand new with no EOS or EOL. For example: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/security/asa-5506-x-firepower-services/model.html.
The more I read on those, the less impressed I am with them.
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@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
If you qualify for non profit pricing through something like techsoup you might not have to look at the bottom of the price/performance ratio (MSRP-wise).
A quick glance at techsoup looks like only old, probably no longer supported by the manufacturer hardware, for the networking things at least. Nothing I'd want to actually deploy at least. If you need licensing that is offered there then yes. Unless the offerings change a lot after you log in, as I don't have an account.
Not sure what all you're looking at. I took a glance at the Cisco gear and all the ones I looked at are still supported with no announced EOL or EOS.
They haven't discontinued support for the ASA line yet? Guess if people keep paying support costs for it, they'll keep it officially supported.
ASA is just a branding any more. It is essentially meaningless now except as a marketing term. The models that they offer are brand new with no EOS or EOL. For example: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/security/asa-5506-x-firepower-services/model.html.
The more I read on those, the less impressed I am with them.
Yeah, Cisco is not creating great kit imo, but it all new gear on techsoup afaik.
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@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@travisdh1 said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@kelly said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
If you qualify for non profit pricing through something like techsoup you might not have to look at the bottom of the price/performance ratio (MSRP-wise).
A quick glance at techsoup looks like only old, probably no longer supported by the manufacturer hardware, for the networking things at least. Nothing I'd want to actually deploy at least. If you need licensing that is offered there then yes. Unless the offerings change a lot after you log in, as I don't have an account.
Not sure what all you're looking at. I took a glance at the Cisco gear and all the ones I looked at are still supported with no announced EOL or EOS.
They haven't discontinued support for the ASA line yet? Guess if people keep paying support costs for it, they'll keep it officially supported.
ASA is just a branding any more. It is essentially meaningless now except as a marketing term. The models that they offer are brand new with no EOS or EOL. For example: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/security/asa-5506-x-firepower-services/model.html.
The more I read on those, the less impressed I am with them.
Yeah, Cisco is not creating great kit imo, but it all new gear on techsoup afaik.
That's just sad.
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Already been on TechSoup for years. No discount or offering from UBNT there, sorry. I went ahead and actually got the ER-6 and the mount kit
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I stopped doing the Smart QoS and queues a long while ago because my speed never got better than 100 Mbps with it. I have 400 Mbps downstream and up to 40-50 Mbps upstream.
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@jaredbusch said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
Without QoS, the ERL can do nearly gigabit routing.
Almost all gigabit home routers can do that. It's because simple routing is hardware accelerated to a high degree.
But as soon as you need to do a little more with the traffic then it can't be hardware off-loaded, it has to be processed by the CPU and go the trough the entire ip stack in the CPU. And that's why a few options here and there can make such a dramatic difference on the throughput.
The ER-X for instance has a dual core 880 Mhz (0.8GHz) MIPS CPU.
You can see that it is very commonly used by asus, d-link, linksys, netgear etc in things like routers and APs. https://wikidevi.com/wiki/MediaTek_MT7621
In raw power that's like a decent smartphone from 2010.If you look at more powerful routers and firewalls you'll find intel cpus with hardware accelerators doing the job. That way the cpu has the brute force to process a lot of packets but things that can be offloaded will be handed to the hardware accelerators.
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@pete-s said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
uters and firewalls you'll find intel cpus with hardware accelerators doing the job. That way the cpu has the brute force to process a lot of packets but things that can be offloaded will be handed to the hardware accelerators.
True. If you want more power you'd have to get one of their two best routers. Which the top of the line infinity is decent. I've already considered moving to it
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@krisleslie said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@pete-s said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
uters and firewalls you'll find intel cpus with hardware accelerators doing the job. That way the cpu has the brute force to process a lot of packets but things that can be offloaded will be handed to the hardware accelerators.
True. If you want more power you'd have to get one of their two best routers. Which the top of the line infinity is decent. I've already considered moving to it
Yeah, that looks more like it.
Cavium that actually makes the CPU and SDKs have CPUs with up to 48 cores. -
That's some good hardware! I got mine
smelling the new box smell! Just waiting on the rack kit and the WAP then I can get to business. -
@pete-s said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@krisleslie said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
@pete-s said in Purchase options for a small non profit 25 staff:
uters and firewalls you'll find intel cpus with hardware accelerators doing the job. That way the cpu has the brute force to process a lot of packets but things that can be offloaded will be handed to the hardware accelerators.
True. If you want more power you'd have to get one of their two best routers. Which the top of the line infinity is decent. I've already considered moving to it
Yeah, that looks more like it.
Cavium that actually makes the CPU and SDKs have CPUs with up to 48 cores.All the new EdgeRouter units are cavium also I believe.
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Good deal. I'm glad for the speed bump. Lord knows we need about 1-2 more speed bumps.
