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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403
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      What I just noticed even more so is that Hyper-V "free" only runs Windows VMs. Which is completely wrong, it'll run linux, BSD, Mac and Windows without issue or complaint.

      So there is even more wrong with the article than what was just in my head as I was typing. . .

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        How about this...

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        Not only is the writing not in correct English, every SINGLE point is wrong. Every. Single. One.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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          @dustinb3403 said in How to take advantage of virtualization. Major products get updated:

          What I just noticed even more so is that Hyper-V "free" only runs Windows VMs. Which is completely wrong, it'll run linux, BSD, Mac and Windows without issue or complaint.

          Yup, there is no limit whatsoever. He's just making this stuff up. It's like he went to SW and read every common misconception that people are mocked for believing and wrote them into an article.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller
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            Look, he didn't even get the product name right!!!

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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              @dustinb3403 said in How to take advantage of virtualization. Major products get updated:

              So there is even more wrong with the article than what was just in my head as I was typing. . .

              Other than a few product names right, I've yet to find one thing that IS correct in the article, literally. Not one thing correct yet.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
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                He didn't even correctly copy this. It's Kernel-based Virtual (not virtualization) Machine.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller
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                  I'm getting the article pulled and rewritten. I reached out to make sure someone saw it.

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                  • ObsolesceO
                    Obsolesce @DustinB3403
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                    @dustinb3403 said in How to take advantage of virtualization. Major products get updated:

                    Yes the skills required to use KVM on a production level is different, but it is no different than managing any other Hypervisor.

                    Yup, it's easier to use in every way I can think of. You don't easily get agentless backups for the VMs, but that doesn't have to be a deal breaker. Other than that, KVM is easier and better.

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
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                      @obsolesce said in How to take advantage of virtualization. Major products get updated:

                      @dustinb3403 said in How to take advantage of virtualization. Major products get updated:

                      Yes the skills required to use KVM on a production level is different, but it is no different than managing any other Hypervisor.

                      Yup, it's easier to use in every way I can think of. You don't easily get agentless backups for the VMs, but that doesn't have to be a deal breaker. Other than that, KVM is easier and better.

                      I would question this as a "truth" is might be easier and better but you have to evaluate and discuss the options before just blindly picking a statement like that and applying it.

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                      • ObsolesceO
                        Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in How to take advantage of virtualization. Major products get updated:

                        I'm getting the article pulled and rewritten. I reached out to make sure someone saw it.

                        Why are they letting people write articles on subjects they are completely unfamiliar with?

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                          @obsolesce said in How to take advantage of virtualization. Major products get updated:

                          @dustinb3403 said in How to take advantage of virtualization. Major products get updated:

                          Yes the skills required to use KVM on a production level is different, but it is no different than managing any other Hypervisor.

                          Yup, it's easier to use in every way I can think of. You don't easily get agentless backups for the VMs, but that doesn't have to be a deal breaker. Other than that, KVM is easier and better.

                          I just did a new install this week and it turned out actually easier than even VMware at this point! Which is amazing because Vmware is so easy.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                            @obsolesce said in How to take advantage of virtualization. Major products get updated:

                            @dustinb3403 said in How to take advantage of virtualization. Major products get updated:

                            Yes the skills required to use KVM on a production level is different, but it is no different than managing any other Hypervisor.

                            Yup, it's easier to use in every way I can think of. You don't easily get agentless backups for the VMs, but that doesn't have to be a deal breaker. Other than that, KVM is easier and better.

                            It does actually get agentless backup, it's just not a very good one. I have agentless backups on my KVM systems. Better than VMware Free, not anything close to Hyper-V.

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                            • brandon220B
                              brandon220
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                              For those new to KVM: What is the general consensus on having a Fedora-based KVM host that boots and runs from a SSD but uses a software RAID on spinning rust for the VM storage?

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                              • jmooreJ
                                jmoore @Obsolesce
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                                @obsolesce I was wondering about that. When she introduced the writer she did so saying he had some mvp title or something like that. He should know precisely what is wrong and right with the technologies he was talking about. He reminded me, instead, of a plain writer who tried to research something for an article and just got it all wrong.

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                                  travisdh1 @brandon220
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                                  @brandon220 said in How to take advantage of virtualization. Major products get updated:

                                  For those new to KVM: What is the general consensus on having a Fedora-based KVM host that boots and runs from a SSD but uses a software RAID on spinning rust for the VM storage?

                                  That is one option. Why not make the software raid bootable, install Fedora on a small partition, and use the SSD as cache for the LVM volumes?

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                                    Francesco Provino @brandon220
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                                    @brandon220 completely wrong. Instead, use a couple of spinning rust for the Hypervisor and the SSD for the VMs.

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                                    • matteo nunziatiM
                                      matteo nunziati @brandon220
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                                      @brandon220 said in How to take advantage of virtualization. Major products get updated:

                                      For those new to KVM: What is the general consensus on having a Fedora-based KVM host that boots and runs from a SSD but uses a software RAID on spinning rust for the VM storage?

                                      In theory you want fast disks were the workload is. So if in doubt just use fast disks for vm not for the hypervisor

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                                      • brandon220B
                                        brandon220
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                                        I have some small SSDs that are not big enough to store VMs but would run a host machine very efficiently. I realize you want the performance where the workload is. Lets forget about the SSD for a minute.... Is software RAID in Linux acceptable to use? I always use hardware RAID controllers in servers but wanted to venture into trying software RAID.

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                                        • ObsolesceO
                                          Obsolesce @brandon220
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                                          @brandon220 said in How to take advantage of virtualization. Major products get updated:

                                          I have some small SSDs that are not big enough to store VMs but would run a host machine very efficiently. I realize you want the performance where the workload is. Lets forget about the SSD for a minute.... Is software RAID in Linux acceptable to use? I always use hardware RAID controllers in servers but wanted to venture into trying software RAID.

                                          The host doesn't do anything, so SSDs have no benefit besides making things go faster that aren't VM related... such as faster Fedora updates, which are already fast... and other minor things.

                                          Software RAID is good in Linux. I'd use LVM.

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                                          • JaredBuschJ
                                            JaredBusch @brandon220
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                                            @brandon220 said in How to take advantage of virtualization. Major products get updated:

                                            I have some small SSDs that are not big enough to store VMs but would run a host machine very efficiently. I realize you want the performance where the workload is. Lets forget about the SSD for a minute.... Is software RAID in Linux acceptable to use? I always use hardware RAID controllers in servers but wanted to venture into trying software RAID.

                                            Software RAID is acceptable to use anywhere that the people managing have the skills to do so.

                                            That is why Hardware RAID is everywhere. It takes no skills. You put in disks and configure. After configured, there is nothing to ever do again even on disk failure as most hardware RAID systems have blind swap capabilities.

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