Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740
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@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
Do you really want to force an OS onto a production system when it won't just go on cleanly like it should? You really think that's good for stability? I'd just try Fedora 27, and if that doesn't work, the latest version of CentOS that Dell officially supports. It's not worth the hassle and potential instability.
That's pretty much how all systems are if you want to keep them patched and updated. Just how IT works. Dell doesn't "officially" support much current, and those things won't be current soon.
Then hopefully Fedora 27 installs cleanly and you can just upgrade to 28 later. That's the route I'd go if I could.
Why 27? Is there something about 27 that should make it work better here?
I'm assuming 28 doesn't go because it's "too new", and that 27 will work. Why would CentOS work but not Fedora in that case?
Yeah, but the age difference between CentOS 7 and Fedora 27 is roughly the same as Fedora 28. The gap is huge.
I'd still try 27.
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@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
Do you really want to force an OS onto a production system when it won't just go on cleanly like it should? You really think that's good for stability? I'd just try Fedora 27, and if that doesn't work, the latest version of CentOS that Dell officially supports. It's not worth the hassle and potential instability.
That's pretty much how all systems are if you want to keep them patched and updated. Just how IT works. Dell doesn't "officially" support much current, and those things won't be current soon.
Then hopefully Fedora 27 installs cleanly and you can just upgrade to 28 later. That's the route I'd go if I could.
Why 27? Is there something about 27 that should make it work better here?
I'm assuming 28 doesn't go because it's "too new", and that 27 will work. Why would CentOS work but not Fedora in that case?
Yeah, but the age difference between CentOS 7 and Fedora 27 is roughly the same as Fedora 28. The gap is huge.
I'd still try 27.
The iDRAC9 list is pathetic...
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@scottalanmiller lol wow.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
Tested media and ran again...
Did you try the text mode install? Boot menu Troubleshooting -> Install Fedora 28 in basic graphics mode
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@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller lol wow.
Yeah, pretty silly.
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@travisdh1 said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
Tested media and ran again...
Did you try the text mode install? Boot menu Troubleshooting -> Install Fedora 28 in basic graphics mode
Boom shaka laka. That works, well got farther anyway. But it didn't go into text mode!
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Almost sounds like you need a network KVM of some sort to get a remote console.
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@coliver said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
Almost sounds like you need a network KVM of some sort to get a remote console.
We have, it's the iDRAC9. We have remote everything now.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@coliver said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
Almost sounds like you need a network KVM of some sort to get a remote console.
We have, it's the iDRAC9. We have remote everything now.
Ah got it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@travisdh1 said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
Tested media and ran again...
Did you try the text mode install? Boot menu Troubleshooting -> Install Fedora 28 in basic graphics mode
Boom shaka laka. That works, well got farther anyway. But it didn't go into text mode!
Huh, they must've changed that in 28 then, because I know I had the old text only installer in 27 a number of times.
One step at a time. That was always the way to go for the older servers I had access to (Dell R900 and R520 boxes.)
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@travisdh1 said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@travisdh1 said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
Tested media and ran again...
Did you try the text mode install? Boot menu Troubleshooting -> Install Fedora 28 in basic graphics mode
Boom shaka laka. That works, well got farther anyway. But it didn't go into text mode!
Huh, they must've changed that in 28 then, because I know I had the old text only installer in 27 a number of times.
One step at a time. That was always the way to go for the older servers I had access to (Dell R900 and R520 boxes.)
It SAYS text installer. But goes immediately to a GUI.
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what CPU does your server have?
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I tried installing Fedora 28 on an old HP server a couple of weeks ago and the installer hanged itself in the same spot. I never tried text mode install with that one. Funny thing is that the latest Centos 7 behaved the same but Xenserver (xcp-ng 7.4) was a trouble-free installation. Debian 9.5 also worked (I always use the text installer by default).
It sounds far fetched but could the installation problem be graphics adapter related (with the Dell server)?
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@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
It sounds far fetched but could the installation problem be graphics adapter related (with the Dell server)?
That's what I was getting at, to see what CPU it has with integrted graphics:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/f28/release-notes/welcome/Hardware_Overview.html
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@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
I tried installing Fedora 28 on an old HP server a couple of weeks ago and the installer hanged itself in the same spot. I never tried text mode install with that one. Funny thing is that the latest Centos 7 behaved the same but Xenserver (xcp-ng 7.4) was a trouble-free installation. Debian 9.5 also worked (I always use the text installer by default).
It sounds far fetched but could the installation problem be graphics adapter related (with the Dell server)?
I'd be surprised if that wasn't the problem. Servers tend to have some very old and crappy graphics cards by default, and, really, it should be that way. I can see that changing in the future, but it'll be a while yet.
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@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
It sounds far fetched but could the installation problem be graphics adapter related (with the Dell server)?
That's what I was getting at, to see what CPU it has with integrted graphics:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/f28/release-notes/welcome/Hardware_Overview.html
Fedora Server doesn't look for that stuff, though.
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@travisdh1 In the past installers just used the VESA modes which works on just about anything. So even if it's old (or too new) it "should" still work.
If the installer tries to load proper drivers however, but fails, you might run into an installation problem. Has to be some kind of bug though.
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@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
It sounds far fetched but could the installation problem be graphics adapter related (with the Dell server)?
That's what I was getting at, to see what CPU it has with integrted graphics:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/f28/release-notes/welcome/Hardware_Overview.html
Fedora Server doesn't look for that stuff, though.
If it's not graphics related, then the install GUI should show.
Try it on a working system just to see what the next step is, that's where it's being held up.
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@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@travisdh1 In the past installers just used the VESA modes which works on just about anything. So even if it's old (or too new) it "should" still work.
If the installer tries to load proper drivers however, but fails, you might run into an installation problem. Has to be some kind of bug though.
You have seen how old those graphics adapters are, right? I remember one popular model on servers was originally a VESA adapter.
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@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@scottalanmiller said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@obsolesce said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
@pete-s said in Fedora Install Issues on Dell PowerEdge R740:
It sounds far fetched but could the installation problem be graphics adapter related (with the Dell server)?
That's what I was getting at, to see what CPU it has with integrted graphics:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/f28/release-notes/welcome/Hardware_Overview.html
Fedora Server doesn't look for that stuff, though.
If it's not graphics related, then the install GUI should show.
Try it on a working system just to see what the next step is, that's where it's being held up.
GUI DOES SHOW!!
