Website hosting: Which direction to go
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@obsolesce said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@jmoore said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
I use Rackspace as they have a nice email option and I get better response times to my blogs than with Vultr. However, as you say, they are mainly hobby sites then I would just use Vultr
Yeah most web hosts do email hosting for you. But he has his own, so if he moves to another web host and his NS changes, he'll have to point is MX record to his existing email server. If the DNS hosting stays the same, he won't have to change anything.
General rule, DNS should never be the same vendor as your application (web, mail, etc.) hosts.
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@scottalanmiller said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@obsolesce said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@jmoore said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
I use Rackspace as they have a nice email option and I get better response times to my blogs than with Vultr. However, as you say, they are mainly hobby sites then I would just use Vultr
Yeah most web hosts do email hosting for you. But he has his own, so if he moves to another web host and his NS changes, he'll have to point is MX record to his existing email server. If the DNS hosting stays the same, he won't have to change anything.
General rule, DNS should never be the same vendor as your application (web, mail, etc.) hosts.
I agree, but in my case specifically, I don't (or barely) use it. My web host is Dreamhost, and they also do the mail for my domains (and DNS). I get one mail per year maybe, and honestly don't use my own domain mail. I use Gmail and Outlook.
In the OPs case, it's a non-issue as he already stated he does his own mail separately. So his DNS is done either through the new potential web host, where he bought his domains (GoDaddy for example), or through some other service. If it stays the same, he doesn't have to do anything at all for mail to keep working, as the only change would be his web hosting. Otherwise, if he gets a new DNS management / changes nameservers, then he'll have to point his MX record to the mail servers he's already using.
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@scottalanmiller said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@obsolesce said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@jmoore said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
I use Rackspace as they have a nice email option and I get better response times to my blogs than with Vultr. However, as you say, they are mainly hobby sites then I would just use Vultr
Yeah most web hosts do email hosting for you. But he has his own, so if he moves to another web host and his NS changes, he'll have to point is MX record to his existing email server. If the DNS hosting stays the same, he won't have to change anything.
General rule, DNS should never be the same vendor as your application (web, mail, etc.) hosts.
It's a 'hobby' site - so it's all in one. I didn't want, don't want and dont need all the stress and aggravation of multi points.
if it dies, it dies,.. want a bit, and it's fine. I'm not worried about ..
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@scottalanmiller Yep
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@scottalanmiller said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
All you need is a CPanel hosting for $20-50 a year. That will handle all email domains and all websites.
Assuming you now how to run Wordpress. cPanel itself does not install or maintain apps. You need expensive plugins. So you need more than cPanel hosting.
Every cpanel installation I've used in the past 5 years comes with softaculous. Which is a one click install for 100+ apps including WordPress, Drupal, Joomla, etc.
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@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@scottalanmiller said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
All you need is a CPanel hosting for $20-50 a year. That will handle all email domains and all websites.
Assuming you now how to run Wordpress. cPanel itself does not install or maintain apps. You need expensive plugins. So you need more than cPanel hosting.
Every cpanel installation I've used in the past 5 years comes with softaculous. Which is a one click install for 100+ apps including WordPress, Drupal, Joomla, etc.
It's a separate app that you pay separately for. If you just do cPanel, you only get a demo of Softaculous. I've had them with and without. Most come with it because no one knows how to do anything without it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@scottalanmiller said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
All you need is a CPanel hosting for $20-50 a year. That will handle all email domains and all websites.
Assuming you now how to run Wordpress. cPanel itself does not install or maintain apps. You need expensive plugins. So you need more than cPanel hosting.
Every cpanel installation I've used in the past 5 years comes with softaculous. Which is a one click install for 100+ apps including WordPress, Drupal, Joomla, etc.
It's a separate app that you pay separately for. If you just do cPanel, you only get a demo of Softaculous. I've had them with and without. Most come with it because no one knows how to do anything without it.
IF you host your own server, then yes that is the case. I've used 4 or 5 different hosts and never experienced them that dont come with Softaculous. If you are a web hosting company, you likely have some type of enterprise license for it.
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@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@scottalanmiller said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@scottalanmiller said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
All you need is a CPanel hosting for $20-50 a year. That will handle all email domains and all websites.
Assuming you now how to run Wordpress. cPanel itself does not install or maintain apps. You need expensive plugins. So you need more than cPanel hosting.
Every cpanel installation I've used in the past 5 years comes with softaculous. Which is a one click install for 100+ apps including WordPress, Drupal, Joomla, etc.
It's a separate app that you pay separately for. If you just do cPanel, you only get a demo of Softaculous. I've had them with and without. Most come with it because no one knows how to do anything without it.
IF you host your own server, then yes that is the case. I've used 4 or 5 different hosts and never experienced them that dont come with Softaculous. If you are a web hosting company, you likely have some type of enterprise license for it.
Yeah, any hosting company I used in the past who used cPanel, always had that stuff included.
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@obsolesce said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@scottalanmiller said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@scottalanmiller said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
All you need is a CPanel hosting for $20-50 a year. That will handle all email domains and all websites.
Assuming you now how to run Wordpress. cPanel itself does not install or maintain apps. You need expensive plugins. So you need more than cPanel hosting.
Every cpanel installation I've used in the past 5 years comes with softaculous. Which is a one click install for 100+ apps including WordPress, Drupal, Joomla, etc.
It's a separate app that you pay separately for. If you just do cPanel, you only get a demo of Softaculous. I've had them with and without. Most come with it because no one knows how to do anything without it.
IF you host your own server, then yes that is the case. I've used 4 or 5 different hosts and never experienced them that dont come with Softaculous. If you are a web hosting company, you likely have some type of enterprise license for it.
Yeah, any hosting company I used in the past who used cPanel, always had that stuff included.
I've seen about half and half. ASO was the first that I used that had it.
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I don't really like cPanel, though. I found it more cumbersome than just handling it manually. The GUI got in the way, rather than being helpful.
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For a sanity check, I just checked the every single reslult on the first page of a duckduckgo search. They all include Softaculous.
It would be very unusual to not include it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
I don't really like cPanel, though. I found it more cumbersome than just handling it manually. The GUI got in the way, rather than being helpful.
For personal websites and reseller hosting, I think cPanel is the best. Especially considering low maintenance was a requirement. cPanel is very mature, and I have never had any issues. SSL certs are easy to mange, migrations are easy, backups are easy, provisioning is easy.
Now if I was building a website with 100k hits per day, I would probably ditch cPanel.
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@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@scottalanmiller said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
I don't really like cPanel, though. I found it more cumbersome than just handling it manually. The GUI got in the way, rather than being helpful.
For personal websites and reseller hosting, I think cPanel is the best. Especially considering low maintenance was a requirement. cPanel is very mature, and I have never had any issues. SSL certs are easy to mange, migrations are easy, backups are easy, provisioning is easy.
Now if I was building a website with 100k hits per day, I would probably ditch cPanel.
Dreamhost doesn't use cPanel and for me that is a good thing. cPanel is too much IMHO.
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@obsolesce said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@scottalanmiller said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
I don't really like cPanel, though. I found it more cumbersome than just handling it manually. The GUI got in the way, rather than being helpful.
For personal websites and reseller hosting, I think cPanel is the best. Especially considering low maintenance was a requirement. cPanel is very mature, and I have never had any issues. SSL certs are easy to mange, migrations are easy, backups are easy, provisioning is easy.
Now if I was building a website with 100k hits per day, I would probably ditch cPanel.
Dreamhost doesn't use cPanel and for me that is a good thing. cPanel is too much IMHO.
As in too configurable?
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@obsolesce said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@scottalanmiller said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
I don't really like cPanel, though. I found it more cumbersome than just handling it manually. The GUI got in the way, rather than being helpful.
For personal websites and reseller hosting, I think cPanel is the best. Especially considering low maintenance was a requirement. cPanel is very mature, and I have never had any issues. SSL certs are easy to mange, migrations are easy, backups are easy, provisioning is easy.
Now if I was building a website with 100k hits per day, I would probably ditch cPanel.
Dreamhost doesn't use cPanel and for me that is a good thing. cPanel is too much IMHO.
I agree, it makes things too hard.
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@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@obsolesce said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@scottalanmiller said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
I don't really like cPanel, though. I found it more cumbersome than just handling it manually. The GUI got in the way, rather than being helpful.
For personal websites and reseller hosting, I think cPanel is the best. Especially considering low maintenance was a requirement. cPanel is very mature, and I have never had any issues. SSL certs are easy to mange, migrations are easy, backups are easy, provisioning is easy.
Now if I was building a website with 100k hits per day, I would probably ditch cPanel.
Dreamhost doesn't use cPanel and for me that is a good thing. cPanel is too much IMHO.
As in too configurable?
Too much stuff, too many options, too much to go through, stuff everywhere. Like SAM said, it makes it way harder than it should be. Sure if you are tunnel-visioning in cPanel to something specific, it's easy if you know it. Even you you aren't... I'm experienced with everything cPanel DOES, but to find it and go through the options, it's too much. Myself, if choosing between cPanel and something more light-wight or CLI, I'll not choose cPanel. That's why I like what Dreamhost did. They use their own thing and it just works.
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@obsolesce said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@obsolesce said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@irj said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
@scottalanmiller said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
I don't really like cPanel, though. I found it more cumbersome than just handling it manually. The GUI got in the way, rather than being helpful.
For personal websites and reseller hosting, I think cPanel is the best. Especially considering low maintenance was a requirement. cPanel is very mature, and I have never had any issues. SSL certs are easy to mange, migrations are easy, backups are easy, provisioning is easy.
Now if I was building a website with 100k hits per day, I would probably ditch cPanel.
Dreamhost doesn't use cPanel and for me that is a good thing. cPanel is too much IMHO.
As in too configurable?
Too much stuff, too many options, too much to go through, stuff everywhere. Like SAM said, it makes it way harder than it should be. Sure if you are tunnel-visioning in cPanel to something specific, it's easy if you know it. Even you you aren't... I'm experienced with everything cPanel DOES, but to find it and go through the options, it's too much. Myself, if choosing between cPanel and something more light-wight or CLI, I'll not choose cPanel. That's why I like what Dreamhost did. They use their own thing and it just works.
Don't forget actually having to recompile Apache for some silly reason. I never understood why a website had to go down to recompile that when changing some basic stuff.
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We're using Azure to host our WordPress instance with a MySQL integrated backend. The entire process for this somewhat web coding illiterate is actually quite simple.
We run the site in our Microsoft Partner subscription that comes with a $150/Month (Canada) credit that we have yet to exceed. So, it's essentially "free" at the Compute A level.
I'm in the process of figuring out how to set up Wiki.js on Ubuntu running in Azure with a MongoDB backend and Apache fronting for SSL. Again, very inexpensive as the *NIX VM takes very little in the way of resources while idle. I like the MongoDB setup as it has a dedicated site for all telemetry that I can hit to monitor its performance.
I think it's worth it to at least check Azure out. It's quite flexible and a one stop spot for everything.
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@phlipelder said in Website hosting: Which direction to go:
I'm in the process of figuring out how to set up Wiki.js on Ubuntu running in Azure with a MongoDB backend and Apache fronting for SSL.
MongoDB will be phased out in Wiki.js 2.0.0
https://github.com/Requarks/wiki
