Anyone Attempting Deploying Printers through SaltStack?
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@krisleslie said in Anyone Attempting Deploying Printers through SaltStack?:
@obsolesce IMHO it depends on the scale, financial health and overall understanding of a company at every level. I can say if your a startup with 1-5 people, having outsourced IT is smart. I can say up to 100 staff, having outsourced IT in different roles/capacities is smart. But it all depends on the financial health of the company.
In house IT staff only makes sense if...
- Your team is SO large that no MSP can match it.
- IT is your core business so is handled under the "in house core, out source all else" rule.
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@krisleslie said in Anyone Attempting Deploying Printers through SaltStack?:
But if you have little budget, little can be done in some scenarios until you grow and have cash flow to support it.
But since the MSP model is cheaper, companies with small budgets should always outsource.
FTEs are for the rich that want to flaunt their ability to hire headcount.
MSPs are for frugal companies wanting to improve the bottom line.
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@scottalanmiller it just depends. One harsh example would be cabling. If you hired a contractor, msp, or someone who is the IT (locally and FTE), who do you think would end up being cheaper? Always the local if he/she has done it before. The labor, equipment and resources cost always sky rockets!
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Attempting Deploying Printers through SaltStack?:
Your team is SO large that no MSP can match it.
The only place I can think of will make sense would be Universities.
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@black3dynamite just depends. If I throw this as a curveball to the situation, a Facebook engineer handles between 100k-1 Million servers on average. So surely he should get paid more right? But that isn't always the case.
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@black3dynamite said in Anyone Attempting Deploying Printers through SaltStack?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Attempting Deploying Printers through SaltStack?:
Your team is SO large that no MSP can match it.
The only place I can think of will make sense would be Universities.
Why? They should want to save money and get more work done, too.
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@krisleslie said in Anyone Attempting Deploying Printers through SaltStack?:
@scottalanmiller it just depends. One harsh example would be cabling. If you hired a contractor, msp, or someone who is the IT (locally and FTE), who do you think would end up being cheaper? Always the local if he/she has done it before. The labor, equipment and resources cost always sky rockets!
There is no "it depends". That's a key here, if it feels like there is an exception, then something has been missed, because there are no exceptions.
In your harsh examples there are many flaws:
- Cabling is not IT, it's electrical. Still follows the outsourced rule, but not to an MSP, but to an electrician.
- Do you really think that an apples to apples certified, bonded electrician on your staff as an FTE is cheaper than bringing one in on an hourly basis as needed? Heck no.
- Union rules often don't even give you a choice here.
- Equipment and resources are very expensive, so a company where they use them all day, every day and you get them for an hour is a fraction of the cost of buying unused spools of cable, training and certifying an electrical staff, meeting fire codes, self insuring, buying loads of equipment to just sit idle 99% of the time would be vastly more expensive.
I don't see any depends. If your staff can do this apples to apples, they are insanely costly in house. If they can't, it's not even a comparison. So I see this as a 100% solid case to demonstrate "there are no exceptions, don't in source this stuff."
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@krisleslie said in Anyone Attempting Deploying Printers through SaltStack?:
@black3dynamite just depends. If I throw this as a curveball to the situation, a Facebook engineer handles between 100k-1 Million servers on average. So surely he should get paid more right? But that isn't always the case.
I don't think that taht is the average
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@krisleslie said in Anyone Attempting Deploying Printers through SaltStack?:
But if you have little budget, little can be done in some scenarios until you grow and have cash flow to support it.
Simple rule of thumb, if you are big and rich enough to consider a single FTE in any department, then you should be so large and so good that you are taking that department off as a profit center providing services to other companies.
So in IT terms, if you are considering hiring an FTE, it should always be because you are in the process of building your own MSP.
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@scottalanmiller Which I agree to, which is what we have done.
