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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403 @dbeato
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      @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

      Last time I used UrBackup was trying to replace Amanda Backup and Bacula.

      Did you succeed?

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      • dbeatoD
        dbeato @DustinB3403
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        @dustinb3403 said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

        @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

        Last time I used UrBackup was trying to replace Amanda Backup and Bacula.

        Did you succeed?

        It worked great on the web interface but it was for a small non profit organization so it works and I believe it is still working. At the time I didn't think of this limitations:

        0_1520611238723_2018-03-09_1100.png

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        • black3dynamiteB
          black3dynamite @dbeato
          last edited by

          @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

          @dustinb3403 said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

          @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

          Last time I used UrBackup was trying to replace Amanda Backup and Bacula.

          Did you succeed?

          It worked great on the web interface but it was for a small non profit organization so it works and I believe it is still working. At the time I didn't think of this limitations:

          0_1520611238723_2018-03-09_1100.png

          Is UrBackup more geared toward Windows?

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          • dbeatoD
            dbeato @black3dynamite
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            @black3dynamite said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

            @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

            @dustinb3403 said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

            @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

            Last time I used UrBackup was trying to replace Amanda Backup and Bacula.

            Did you succeed?

            It worked great on the web interface but it was for a small non profit organization so it works and I believe it is still working. At the time I didn't think of this limitations:

            0_1520611238723_2018-03-09_1100.png

            Is UrBackup more geared toward Windows?

            No, it is all inclusive with Linux and Mac too.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @black3dynamite
              last edited by

              @black3dynamite said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

              @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

              @dustinb3403 said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

              @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

              Last time I used UrBackup was trying to replace Amanda Backup and Bacula.

              Did you succeed?

              It worked great on the web interface but it was for a small non profit organization so it works and I believe it is still working. At the time I didn't think of this limitations:

              0_1520611238723_2018-03-09_1100.png

              Is UrBackup more geared toward Windows?

              Pretty universally available.

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              • dafyreD
                dafyre @black3dynamite
                last edited by

                @black3dynamite said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                @dustinb3403 said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                Last time I used UrBackup was trying to replace Amanda Backup and Bacula.

                Did you succeed?

                It worked great on the web interface but it was for a small non profit organization so it works and I believe it is still working. At the time I didn't think of this limitations:

                0_1520611238723_2018-03-09_1100.png

                Is UrBackup more geared toward Windows?

                I think he was referring to the 2TB limitation for VHD files?

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                • dafyreD
                  dafyre
                  last edited by

                  I'm actually testing out the file level backups now. Throwing ~400 GB at it to see what happens.

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403 @dafyre
                    last edited by

                    @dafyre said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                    I'm actually testing out the file level backups now. Throwing ~400 GB at it to see what happens.

                    Let me know how it performs

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                    • dbeatoD
                      dbeato @dafyre
                      last edited by

                      @dafyre said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                      @black3dynamite said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                      @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                      @dustinb3403 said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                      @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                      Last time I used UrBackup was trying to replace Amanda Backup and Bacula.

                      Did you succeed?

                      It worked great on the web interface but it was for a small non profit organization so it works and I believe it is still working. At the time I didn't think of this limitations:

                      0_1520611238723_2018-03-09_1100.png

                      Is UrBackup more geared toward Windows?

                      I think he was referring to the 2TB limitation for VHD files?

                      Yeah, that is probably why.

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                      • dafyreD
                        dafyre @dbeato
                        last edited by

                        @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                        @dafyre said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                        @black3dynamite said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                        @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                        @dustinb3403 said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                        @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                        Last time I used UrBackup was trying to replace Amanda Backup and Bacula.

                        Did you succeed?

                        It worked great on the web interface but it was for a small non profit organization so it works and I believe it is still working. At the time I didn't think of this limitations:

                        0_1520611238723_2018-03-09_1100.png

                        Is UrBackup more geared toward Windows?

                        I think he was referring to the 2TB limitation for VHD files?

                        Yeah, that is probably why.

                        It shoud be noted that limitation is only for the Image based backups.

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                        • black3dynamiteB
                          black3dynamite @dafyre
                          last edited by

                          @dafyre said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                          @black3dynamite said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                          @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                          @dustinb3403 said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                          @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                          Last time I used UrBackup was trying to replace Amanda Backup and Bacula.

                          Did you succeed?

                          It worked great on the web interface but it was for a small non profit organization so it works and I believe it is still working. At the time I didn't think of this limitations:

                          0_1520611238723_2018-03-09_1100.png

                          Is UrBackup more geared toward Windows?

                          I think he was referring to the 2TB limitation for VHD files?

                          Why VHD instead of VHDX? Better yet, why not use qcow2 or raw images?

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403 @black3dynamite
                            last edited by

                            @black3dynamite said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                            @dafyre said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                            @black3dynamite said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                            @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                            @dustinb3403 said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                            @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                            Last time I used UrBackup was trying to replace Amanda Backup and Bacula.

                            Did you succeed?

                            It worked great on the web interface but it was for a small non profit organization so it works and I believe it is still working. At the time I didn't think of this limitations:

                            0_1520611238723_2018-03-09_1100.png

                            Is UrBackup more geared toward Windows?

                            I think he was referring to the 2TB limitation for VHD files?

                            Why VHD instead of VHDX? Better yet, why not use qcow2 or raw images?

                            All good questions.

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                              uroni @DustinB3403
                              last edited by

                              @black3dynamite said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                              @dafyre said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                              @black3dynamite said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                              @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                              @dustinb3403 said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                              @dbeato said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                              Last time I used UrBackup was trying to replace Amanda Backup and Bacula.

                              Did you succeed?

                              It worked great on the web interface but it was for a small non profit organization so it works and I believe it is still working. At the time I didn't think of this limitations:

                              0_1520611238723_2018-03-09_1100.png

                              Is UrBackup more geared toward Windows?

                              I think he was referring to the 2TB limitation for VHD files?

                              Why VHD instead of VHDX? Better yet, why not use qcow2 or raw images?

                              Dev here. It can backup to raw image files and there is no 2TB restriction then, but you need to use either ZFS or btrfs as file system for the backup storage (with Linux or FreeBSD/FreeNAS).
                              You'd want to store the backups on a file system that can compress data anyway, so I recommend using either of those two.

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403
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                                @uroni are there any major limitations that you can point out as a lot of us are investigating the solution. Anything that we need to watch out for?

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                                  uroni @DustinB3403
                                  last edited by

                                  @dustinb3403 said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                                  @uroni are there any major limitations that you can point out as a lot of us are investigating the solution. Anything that we need to watch out for?

                                  • If you are backing up files that are partially updated (e.g. Database files, Outlook .pst files), you'll have whole file copies of updated files unless you use btrfs as backup storage.
                                  • Backup performance usually is limited by backup storage random IO, especially when using it with ZFS or btrfs and raw images (so maybe use RAID10 instead of RAID6). I guess this can come as a surprise if you are used other backup systems which write linearly to backup storage (or tapes).
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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @uroni
                                    last edited by

                                    @uroni said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                                    • Backup performance usually is limited by backup storage random IO, especially when using it with ZFS or btrfs and raw images (so maybe use RAID10 instead of RAID6). I guess this can come as a surprise if you are used other backup systems which write linearly to backup storage (or tapes).

                                    That is, indeed, good to know. I would not have guessed that.

                                    Does UrBackup have a process for writing to tape as well?

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                                      uroni @scottalanmiller
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                                      @scottalanmiller said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                                      Does UrBackup have a process for writing to tape as well?

                                      No, it is wholly disk based and additionally leverages advanced file system features (such as snapshots, reflinks, compression) when available.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @uroni
                                        last edited by

                                        @uroni said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in UrBackup and FreeNAS Jurassic Park Effect:

                                        Does UrBackup have a process for writing to tape as well?

                                        No, it is wholly disk based and additionally leverages advanced file system features (such as snapshots, reflinks, compression) when available.

                                        So if we wanted to have cloud storage, we'd run a UrBackup server hosted then, rather than a local one and pointing to something like S3?

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