College Degrees: Worth the Expense?
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@ajstringham My undergrad didn't have an internship until the capstone/senior year. It is telling that a year after I graduated the academic in charge of my program was fired and it was closed...
RIT (Rochester Institute of Technology) had a really interesting internship program, called a co-op, which was required for all tech students starting their sophomore year. It was a 10 week long internship that the majority of students were offered a full time job after their completed their degree and during summers. For a company to participate in the co-op though they had to agree not the headhunt the student until they had graduated (at least from what an undergrad-adviser told me). As a post-grad student this option wasn't available to me.
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@coliver said:
@ajstringham My undergrad didn't have an internship until the capstone/senior year. It is telling that a year after I graduated the academic in charge of my program was fired and it was closed...
RIT (Rochester Institute of Technology) had a really interesting internship program, called a co-op, which was required for all tech students starting their sophomore year. It was a 10 week long internship that the majority of students were offered a full time job after their completed their degree and during summers. For a company to participate in the co-op though they had to agree not the headhunt the student until they had graduated (at least from what an undergrad-adviser told me). As a post-grad student this option wasn't available to me.
I'm at RIT now. RIT's coop program is an attempt to mimic the older one at Kettering University in Flint, MI. The two consider themselves head to head competitors in the engineering space.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@ajstringham My undergrad didn't have an internship until the capstone/senior year. It is telling that a year after I graduated the academic in charge of my program was fired and it was closed...
RIT (Rochester Institute of Technology) had a really interesting internship program, called a co-op, which was required for all tech students starting their sophomore year. It was a 10 week long internship that the majority of students were offered a full time job after their completed their degree and during summers. For a company to participate in the co-op though they had to agree not the headhunt the student until they had graduated (at least from what an undergrad-adviser told me). As a post-grad student this option wasn't available to me.
I'm at RIT now. RIT's coop program is an attempt to mimic the older one at Kettering University in Flint, MI. The two consider themselves head to head competitors in the engineering space.
Either way it seems to be a very effective means to get real world experience while in college, allowing the student to get the best of both worlds.
One of my fellow grad students did his coop with Meraki before they were bought by Cisco. He was hired by them after graduation and when he let them know he wanted to get his Master's (and doctorate) they offered to pay for it if he could do it while working. He was explaining his doctoral research proposal to me and it was fairly interesting although pretty far over my head.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@ajstringham My undergrad didn't have an internship until the capstone/senior year. It is telling that a year after I graduated the academic in charge of my program was fired and it was closed...
RIT (Rochester Institute of Technology) had a really interesting internship program, called a co-op, which was required for all tech students starting their sophomore year. It was a 10 week long internship that the majority of students were offered a full time job after their completed their degree and during summers. For a company to participate in the co-op though they had to agree not the headhunt the student until they had graduated (at least from what an undergrad-adviser told me). As a post-grad student this option wasn't available to me.
I'm at RIT now. RIT's coop program is an attempt to mimic the older one at Kettering University in Flint, MI. The two consider themselves head to head competitors in the engineering space.
Either way it seems to be a very effective means to get real world experience while in college, allowing the student to get the best of both worlds.
One of my fellow grad students did his coop with Meraki before they were bought by Cisco. He was hired by them after graduation and when he let them know he wanted to get his Master's (and doctorate) they offered to pay for it if he could do it while working. He was explaining his doctoral research proposal to me and it was fairly interesting although pretty far over my head.
If a company cares enough about an employee to offer to pay for their training and/or education, that's a good sign.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
@ajstringham My undergrad didn't have an internship until the capstone/senior year. It is telling that a year after I graduated the academic in charge of my program was fired and it was closed...
RIT (Rochester Institute of Technology) had a really interesting internship program, called a co-op, which was required for all tech students starting their sophomore year. It was a 10 week long internship that the majority of students were offered a full time job after their completed their degree and during summers. For a company to participate in the co-op though they had to agree not the headhunt the student until they had graduated (at least from what an undergrad-adviser told me). As a post-grad student this option wasn't available to me.
I'm at RIT now. RIT's coop program is an attempt to mimic the older one at Kettering University in Flint, MI. The two consider themselves head to head competitors in the engineering space.
Either way it seems to be a very effective means to get real world experience while in college, allowing the student to get the best of both worlds.
One of my fellow grad students did his coop with Meraki before they were bought by Cisco. He was hired by them after graduation and when he let them know he wanted to get his Master's (and doctorate) they offered to pay for it if he could do it while working. He was explaining his doctoral research proposal to me and it was fairly interesting although pretty far over my head.
Almost as good as skipping college and getting an employer to pay for all of it
Even with good intern and coop programs, you can normally get the same opportunities without college, often during high school, and be years ahead without the cost. Later in a career, it is standard for companies to pay for college while working. So the opportunity to do it completely free, top to bottom, without compromising the start of career date, generating debt or being behind can easily exist. -
@ajstringham said:
If a company cares enough about an employee to offer to pay for their training and/or education, that's a good sign.
That's standard in the Fortune 1000.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@ajstringham said:
If a company cares enough about an employee to offer to pay for their training and/or education, that's a good sign.
That's standard in the Fortune 1000.
Yeah, but most of us don't work at Fortune 1000 companies.
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@ajstringham said:
Yeah, but most of us don't work at Fortune 1000 companies.
Most people actually do. And, for example, you do.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@ajstringham said:
Yeah, but most of us don't work at Fortune 1000 companies.
Most people actually do. And, for example, you do.
Yeah, I know. Still, training budgets seem like a dream to most IT people that I see.
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@ajstringham said:
Yeah, I know. Still, training budgets seem like a dream to most IT people that I see.
That's because you focus your IT time on the SMB. Places like here and SW. Specifically SMB forums. So of course you see the non-Fortune 1000 world. But the bulk of IT is in the F1000.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@ajstringham said:
Yeah, I know. Still, training budgets seem like a dream to most IT people that I see.
That's because you focus your IT time on the SMB. Places like here and SW. Specifically SMB forums. So of course you see the non-Fortune 1000 world. But the bulk of IT is in the F1000.
I hope to find an MSP that offers training benefits someday. That'd be heaven for me.
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@ajstringham said:
I hope to find an MSP that offers training benefits someday. That'd be heaven for me.
MSPs lack the necessary margins to do that.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@ajstringham said:
I hope to find an MSP that offers training benefits someday. That'd be heaven for me.
MSPs lack the necessary margins to do that.
A guy can dream!
