Business thinking - PC replacements
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@tirendir said in Business thinking - PC replacements:
If it costs my minion an hour per device, we're still netting about $400/year rough improvement in efficiency from IT's perspective when the swap is done properly, and still not including the electricity draw improvements.
And again you have no concept of employee cost. Did we not go down this road last time with you?
You said $416 savings and now an hour of someone's time only consumes $16?
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@jaredbusch said in Business thinking - PC replacements:
@tirendir said in Business thinking - PC replacements:
If it costs my minion an hour per device, we're still netting about $400/year rough improvement in efficiency from IT's perspective when the swap is done properly, and still not including the electricity draw improvements.
And again you have no concept of employee cost. Did we not go down this road last time with you?
You said $416 savings and now an hour of someone's time only consumes $16?
This is the calculation that he is doing: "If your users have to wait say.. one minute an hour, for 8 hours a day, every day of a work year just because the computers are getting old; even if everyone is making $12/hr, you are going to spend $416/yr per-employee to pay employees to do nothing but sit and wait at their PC accomplishing nothing (with which, you could almost buy a brand new PC anyway and save all that wasted labor money)."
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Scott's assessment is pretty much exactly what I'm suggesting, although a significant majority of users aren't likely to be getting paid anything nearly as low as $12/hr in most organizations, which skews the numbers far more in favor of replacing hardware versus not. My subordinate makes approximately equivalent to $16/hr. However I only used that number to make the math simple/easy.
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@tirendir said in Business thinking - PC replacements:
Scott's assessment is pretty much exactly what I'm suggesting, although a significant majority of users aren't likely to be getting paid anything nearly as low as $12/hr in most organizations, which skews the numbers far more in favor of replacing hardware versus not. My subordinate makes approximately equivalent to $16/hr. However I only used that number to make the math simple/easy.
Also, it is not what they are paid but what they cost. A $12/hr employee definitely costs at least $15/hr to maintain.
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The further you take things out in terms of considering what employees cost to employ versus the cost of hardware, it's extremely difficult to justify keeping hardware that causes unnecessary labor waste. It's the same exact phenomenon that explains why executives get to be driven around rather than drive themselves at a certain level for instance. It's got nothing to do with their capacity to drive or not, and everything to do with it's more profitable for the organization to hire someone extra to drive them around and such so they can work during transit times, than it is to have them spend that time focusing on driving or whatever.
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@tirendir said in Business thinking - PC replacements:
The further you take things out in terms of considering what employees cost to employ versus the cost of hardware, it's extremely difficult to justify keeping hardware that causes unnecessary labor waste. It's the same exact phenomenon that explains why executives get to be driven around rather than drive themselves at a certain level for instance. It's got nothing to do with their capacity to drive or not, and everything to do with it's more profitable for the organization to hire someone extra to drive them around and such so they can work during transit times, than it is to have them spend that time focusing on driving or whatever.
I'm pretty sure that biggest value there is parking, not the driving. Execs rarely work while moving in the car, but not having to park and find cars saves so much time that that alone often justifies it.
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@tirendir said in Business thinking - PC replacements:
The further you take things out in terms of considering what employees cost to employ versus the cost of hardware, it's extremely difficult to justify keeping hardware that causes unnecessary labor waste. It's the same exact phenomenon that explains why executives get to be driven around rather than drive themselves at a certain level for instance. It's got nothing to do with their capacity to drive or not, and everything to do with it's more profitable for the organization to hire someone extra to drive them around and such so they can work during transit times, than it is to have them spend that time focusing on driving or whatever.
Yes I completely get this point. I'm totally on board - the bigger question is - is the company prepared to take advantage of that extra time? If they don't, then it's not a wise investment. And Yes that is IT's job to help determine if the added resources (i.e. time for employees to do more work) are worth the cost (replacing hardware/implementation/etc) to the company. But, if like most SMBs it just results in slack time for the employees, then the spend is just a waste. So I'm back to saying this is NOT something that can or ever should be done in a vacuum. These types of sweeping changes (i.e. adding time for more work to be done at x cost) needs to be considered by the management team.. not solely by IT.
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If the company can utilize that time, they should seriously rethink employees.
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@scottalanmiller said in Business thinking - PC replacements:
If the company can't utilize that time, they should seriously rethink employees.
FTFY
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@scottalanmiller said in Business thinking - PC replacements:
I did this for a shop last week. Everything done in one day, the whole thing. Even replaced the firewall, apps, basically everything. If you have a company that has weekends off, you can do this in a weekend.
How many users and how many apps? Did you migrate user profiles? Was it part of the job to make sure the My Little Pony screen saver was migrated?
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@mike-davis said in Business thinking - PC replacements:
@scottalanmiller said in Business thinking - PC replacements:
I did this for a shop last week. Everything done in one day, the whole thing. Even replaced the firewall, apps, basically everything. If you have a company that has weekends off, you can do this in a weekend.
How many users and how many apps? Did you migrate user profiles? Was it part of the job to make sure the My Little Pony screen saver was migrated?
Fourteen users, not a lot of apps. Mostly MS Office, some basic stuff that you'd expect like new browsers, a few odds and ends utilities as requested by people and their medical system (which was not large.) Please installing printers, scanners, shared drives and such. All pretty basic, but you generally expect pretty basic in an office of that size.
