Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?
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You're all making me very sad about internet in my area. The good news is that fiber is finally being rolled out in the area. Don't know anything other than I've seen spools of the stuff moving down streets every time I drive by.
Our only real local provider has upped the speed offering to a whole 100Mb down 5Mb up.
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@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
I plan on having 4 800GB SSDs with RAID5 setup so I believe that gives me 2.4TB to play with.
What factor is leading you to high cost SSDs? Is there a performance concern on the LAN that would make this valuable? SSDs are screaming fast, but most file servers today will not benefit from them. Lower cost spinning disks on RAID 10 normally makes more sense. NL-SAS are cheap.
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@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
My 500/50 cost me $75, which is faster then everything being mentioned here, and cheaper!
Also consumer - find out how much that is for a business.
This is a huge reason why working from home can be so smart.
eh? How does this help a company that's trying to host files for it's users to access?
It's useful for anyone struggling with acquiring or affording fast Internet access for their systems. How is it not useful? They have a WAN bandwidth concern, this might solve it. Obviously it's a major discussion and has a lot of factors. But we have no information that would suggest that it's not a viable consideration.
Please lay that out for me. What exactly are you proposing?
What do you mean? Currently an issue with performance is a 5Mb/s shared connection bottleneck. I proposed a way around it. Not much to explain.
The fileserver is at their office - are you proposing that they send the fileserver to someone's home? What about local network access in this case?
Hosted, of course.
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@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
What about local network access in this case?
What about it? It wouldn't exist.
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@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
If I go virtual, should I create a server for their AD & DNS and then create another server just as a file server?
Physical should not be a consideration. And yes, if you use Windows, you get two VMs as part of your base Standard license so definitely split these two things into separate VMs as there is no cost involved. This just makes things easier to manage and protect.
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@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
My hesitation of going Virtual is the learning curve.
The learning curve is tiny and if it presents any problems at all, this indicates bigger things. Don't take this the wrong way, but it's like being hired as a chef to run the environment but avoiding making dinner because you aren't sure of the learning curve on boiling water. You can't safely run any system if the virtualization presents a problem, the ability to do the one makes the other a nominal effort. It might be something you've not done before, that's fine. But if there is any hesitation, stop and bring someone in to take care of the environment. Don't put the company at risk because you weren't sure how to do things correctly. The cost of outsourcing this work is totally trivial, the cost of getting it wrong is not.
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@coliver said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
My 500/50 cost me $75, which is faster then everything being mentioned here, and cheaper!
Also consumer - find out how much that is for a business.
This is a huge reason why working from home can be so smart.
eh? How does this help a company that's trying to host files for it's users to access?
It's useful for anyone struggling with acquiring or affording fast Internet access for their systems. How is it not useful? They have a WAN bandwidth concern, this might solve it. Obviously it's a major discussion and has a lot of factors. But we have no information that would suggest that it's not a viable consideration.
Please lay that out for me. What exactly are you proposing?
They are distributing the workload over dozens of other sites instead of concentrating it on one site. Move to a "cloud" and the local bandwidth becomes much less of a concern.
Does it? We're talking about people are dealing with AutoCAD files. I would assume these to be some pretty big files. I also assume that today they are accessing the file server via a 1 Gb/s LAN connection.
If you move the central storage to the cloud, now you're likely crippling the people's ability to save/copy data to some significantly lower throughput, short of spending some pretty big dollars compared to today.
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@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
Does it? We're talking about people are dealing with AutoCAD files. I would assume these to be some pretty big files. I also assume that today they are accessing the file server via a 1 Gb/s LAN connection.
We know that at least one person is accessing them over less then 5Mb/s.
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@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
If you move the central storage to the cloud, now you're likely crippling the people's ability to save/copy data to some significantly lower throughput, short of spending some pretty big dollars compared to today.
Depends on how they save. They might not even notice.
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@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
What about local network access in this case?
What about it? It wouldn't exist.
See my post to coliver.
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@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
If you move the central storage to the cloud, now you're likely crippling the people's ability to save/copy data to some significantly lower throughput, short of spending some pretty big dollars compared to today.
Depends on how they save. They might not even notice.
you mean saving to something like a sync client?
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Did this thread get forgotten?
Scott so what are you proposing?
CAD users use a sync client locally to sync to a remote/cloud server?
I suppose that could work, IF the uploading to the central cloud storage happened timely enough for this traveling person to get what they wanted.
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@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
If you move the central storage to the cloud, now you're likely crippling the people's ability to save/copy data to some significantly lower throughput, short of spending some pretty big dollars compared to today.
Depends on how they save. They might not even notice.
you mean saving to something like a sync client?
I don't mean anything in particular. I'm just saying that it depends. You are assuming that 20-25 users on dedicated GigE ports talking to a single old server that likely has just one GigE port shared to all of those users will feel faster than those same users saving over the LAN on dedicated 50-150Mb/s ports to a single GigE port and I'm saying that that is not necessarily true. Tons of small files might never go above that speed, there might be so much contention that it doesn't matter, they might use sync clients or save behind the scenes... lots of reasons that they might not notice or not notice enough to care.
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@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
I suppose that could work, IF the uploading to the central cloud storage happened timely enough for this traveling person to get what they wanted.
That's always an issue, it needs to finish saving one way or another.
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@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
Scott so what are you proposing?
nothing at all, I pointed out that there is a standard industry system that addresses this particular issue.
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@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
If you move the central storage to the cloud, now you're likely crippling the people's ability to save/copy data to some significantly lower throughput, short of spending some pretty big dollars compared to today.
Depends on how they save. They might not even notice.
you mean saving to something like a sync client?
I don't mean anything in particular. I'm just saying that it depends. You are assuming that 20-25 users on dedicated GigE ports talking to a single old server that likely has just one GigE port shared to all of those users will feel faster than those same users saving over the LAN on dedicated 50-150Mb/s ports to a single GigE port and I'm saying that that is not necessarily true. Tons of small files might never go above that speed, there might be so much contention that it doesn't matter, they might use sync clients or save behind the scenes... lots of reasons that they might not notice or not notice enough to care.
We're talking CAD files here. They don't tend to be small.
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@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
What about local network access in this case?
What about it? It wouldn't exist.
See my post to coliver.
That didn't make sense, because it would not exist.
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@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
If you move the central storage to the cloud, now you're likely crippling the people's ability to save/copy data to some significantly lower throughput, short of spending some pretty big dollars compared to today.
Depends on how they save. They might not even notice.
you mean saving to something like a sync client?
I don't mean anything in particular. I'm just saying that it depends. You are assuming that 20-25 users on dedicated GigE ports talking to a single old server that likely has just one GigE port shared to all of those users will feel faster than those same users saving over the LAN on dedicated 50-150Mb/s ports to a single GigE port and I'm saying that that is not necessarily true. Tons of small files might never go above that speed, there might be so much contention that it doesn't matter, they might use sync clients or save behind the scenes... lots of reasons that they might not notice or not notice enough to care.
We're talking CAD files here. They don't tend to be small.
Someone pointed out that they are often small.
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@bnrstnr said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@luismc said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
They get 1TB in SharePoint and can upgrade (by paying), the item limit is 5k per library and 20k overall so I think they're okay.
Be careful here, cad part files can add up extremely quickly. I'm not in architecture, but our average job folder has 2k+ files. You'd burn through 20k files pretty quick if that's the case there too.
This is the post that I was mentioning. 2K files per job. They might not be tiny, but they can only be so big at that quantity. You might be dealing with loads and loads of pretty small files.
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@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
I suppose that could work, IF the uploading to the central cloud storage happened timely enough for this traveling person to get what they wanted.
IIRC modern AutoCAD does saves when you modify a file. So you never really have to save, it works kind of like Office Online or Google Docs.
