Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?
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@fateknollogee said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
@scottalanmiller said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
@fateknollogee said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
@scottalanmiller said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
Does Nutanix really have some tech of real interest?
They were able to create a GUI for KVM.
Not sure why no one else has one!
You'd think RedHat would have a GUI for KVM.Gotcha. Now I see what you mean.
We need an "XO" for KVM
Starwind is doing so. Or were they doing Hyper-V I lost track.
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@scottalanmiller said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
@travisdh1 said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
@fateknollogee said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
@scottalanmiller said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
@fateknollogee said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
@scottalanmiller said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
Does Nutanix really have some tech of real interest?
They were able to create a GUI for KVM.
Not sure why no one else has one!
You'd think RedHat would have a GUI for KVM.Gotcha. Now I see what you mean.
We need an "XO" for KVM
I think we really just need a coder who has some spare time. Not sure I'd be up to the task myself, but it would be an interesting project. Too bad @QuixoticJeremy is already SUPER busy with something else.
I think it might be on a list somewhere
lol that is very possible
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@jaredbusch said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
@fateknollogee said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
@scottalanmiller said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
@fateknollogee said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
@scottalanmiller said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
Does Nutanix really have some tech of real interest?
They were able to create a GUI for KVM.
Not sure why no one else has one!
You'd think RedHat would have a GUI for KVM.Gotcha. Now I see what you mean.
We need an "XO" for KVM
Starwind is doing so. Or were they doing Hyper-V I lost track.
Hyper-V
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According to @KOOLER this will support KVM
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-manager -
@fateknollogee said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
@scottalanmiller said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
This stuff worries me significantly in storage vendors...But Nutanix? That's a vendor that could close its doors any day. It's just bleeding cash, has no hope of investment...
Where'd you hear that from??
They've lost over 500 million dollars, and are not public so they can't raise VC cash.
well over 100 million lost on last quarter. -
@fateknollogee said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
According to @KOOLER this will support KVM
https://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-managerIn time. Not yet. Hyper-V first.
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@storageninja said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
@fateknollogee said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
@scottalanmiller said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
This stuff worries me significantly in storage vendors...But Nutanix? That's a vendor that could close its doors any day. It's just bleeding cash, has no hope of investment...
Where'd you hear that from??
They've lost over 500 million dollars, and are not public so they can't raise VC cash.
well over 100 million lost on last quarter.And the bleed isn't slowing down. This is a full on cash burn.
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@fateknollogee said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
Hopefully, before they shut the doors maybe they'll "open source" their KVM + HTML5 GUI !
+1
Prism is nice
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@kooler said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
Prism is nice
Will the Starwind version be as nice as Prism?
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@fateknollogee said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
@kooler said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
Prism is nice
Will the Starwind version be as nice as Prism?
You can get a basic understanding of how it will look like here:
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@storageninja said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
@kooler HTML5 GUI's you say?
Very nice!!!
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I don't believe there is anything to stop a private company from getting more VC cash. For some reason there are billions of dollars to burn in the VC and Hedge fund area. Take a look at Uber. Billions burned and the continue on and on raising more money after more money.
I don't know how these companies with no secure plan to make money continue to get millions? Can someone please enlighten me.
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I use Kimchi for my KVM hosts. It is really nice.
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@pmoncho said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
I don't believe there is anything to stop a private company from getting more VC cash. For some reason there are billions of dollars to burn in the VC and Hedge fund area. Take a look at Uber. Billions burned and the continue on and on raising more money after more money.
These companies are past this point, there is a way to keep growing with VC money and a way not to. These are companies with no financial plans to sell to VCs and that have old debts to settle. It's not like an Uber where they are burning high but growing and have VCs that think it is a good idea to continue.
I think he had a typo though, as these companies are public and that is the real issue - VCs only deal with private.
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@pmoncho said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
I don't know how these companies with no secure plan to make money continue to get millions? Can someone please enlighten me.
A secure plan gets a bank loan. A risky plan goes to venture capital. It's a gamble. That's how investing works. This is how Google and Amazon got so big.
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I get that they gamble. I am an investor but the mentality to throw good money after bad doesn't make sense to me. Initial stages (GOOGL, AMZN, FB, NFLX, etc) and a few years I understand. Companies going on 10+ years, burn immense amounts of cash, high debt and everyone is paid in stock options are the ones I cannot wrap my head around. Good money after bad IMHO.
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@pmoncho said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
I get that they gamble. I am an investor but the mentality to throw good money after bad doesn't make sense to me. Initial stages (GOOGL, AMZN, FB, NFLX, etc) and a few years I understand. Companies going on 10+ years, burn immense amounts of cash, high debt and everyone is paid in stock options are the ones I cannot wrap my head around. Good money after bad IMHO.
Depends. Ones like Nutanix with zero plan, that makes no sense and that's why we are concerned here. Others, like Amazon, that are obviously and publicly trading profits today for market growth, but could be profitable at any moment if they wanted to be make total sense.
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@pmoncho said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
I get that they gamble. I am an investor but the mentality to throw good money after bad doesn't make sense to me. Initial stages (GOOGL, AMZN, FB, NFLX, etc) and a few years I understand. Companies going on 10+ years, burn immense amounts of cash, high debt and everyone is paid in stock options are the ones I cannot wrap my head around. Good money after bad IMHO.
Blame regulations making being public such a pain in the rear. Everyone delays it.
Mark Cuban has written quite a bit on why companies are staying private too long. -
@scottalanmiller said in Is Tintri Heading for Pure and Nutanix Territory Financially?:
Depends. Ones like Nutanix with zero plan, that makes no sense and that's why we are concerned here. Others, like Amazon, that are obviously and publicly trading profits today for market growth, but could be profitable at any moment if they wanted to be make total sense.
But...... they are a cloud software company who makes an HCI appliance that can BACKUP DATA TO THE PUBLIC CLOUD! OMGZ IT'S SO FORWARD CLOUD THINKING! CLOUD CLOUD CLOUD CLOUD! OHHH IT CAN CREATE A CONTAINER ON GOOGLE! OMGZ CLOUDS!
On a serious note, the cloud washing in this industry is awful when someone who makes a hypervisor that doesn't run in/on ANY public clouds can be considered a cloud company.
