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    SW Port - New Server for virtual host - Sanity Check

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    • scottalanmillerS
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      Have you considered getting another R720 that matches and instead of Veeam replication, using Starwind for a real high availability setup for the same or less money?

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      • DustinB3403D
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        @scottalanmiller I was just about to say that . . . 😛

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        • DustinB3403D
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          Which a nice thing about using Starwinds is you wouldn't have to worry about your database, or possible corruption while trying to back it up.

          They even have a free version for life if I recall correctly.

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          • scottalanmillerS
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            @DustinB3403 said in SW Port - New Server for virtual host - Sanity Check:

            Which a nice thing about using Starwinds is you wouldn't have to worry about your database, or possible corruption while trying to back it up.

            They even have a free version for life if I recall correctly.

            Yes, it's all free. Only the GUI isn't free after the first month.

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              beta @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller Briefly, my concerns with that though is the way I understand Starwind works with VMware is I need to create Windows Server VMs which host the storage I think? It just seemed like it added a little more complexity.

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              • scottalanmillerS
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                @beta said in SW Port - New Server for virtual host - Sanity Check:

                @scottalanmiller Briefly, my concerns with that though is the way I understand Starwind works with VMware is I need to create Windows Server VMs which host the storage I think? It just seemed like it added a little more complexity.

                A couple thoughts there...

                1. As a non-profit, this affects you less than most.
                2. It's not the complexity that it feels like and results in a vastly superior result, so a bad factor to use in deciding against it.
                3. It adds complexity in that you need to make a VM, but reduces complexity by giving you a simpler storage system.
                4. This is complexity that only exists because of the desire to use VMware, move to Hyper-V and there is no need for the VM and that complexity vanishes.
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                  beta @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller So, a few questions:

                  • Would it matter that 1 host would be SSD and the other HDD?
                  • Would it matter that the old R720 has less storage than the new server?
                  • I posted this on SW a while ago because I was trying to understand where vSAN fits in: https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1976492-replicated-local-storage-virtual-sans-versus-application-ha and from what I had read (and some comments you had made to other posters) it seemed like things like SQL, Exchange, AD, etc are usually exempted from other types of HA in favor of their native application HA so I didn't really know if SQL would be a good candidate for vSAN.
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                  • scottalanmillerS
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                    @beta said in SW Port - New Server for virtual host - Sanity Check:

                    @scottalanmiller So, a few questions:

                    • Would it matter that 1 host would be SSD and the other HDD?

                    Yes, you want them to match.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
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                      @beta said in SW Port - New Server for virtual host - Sanity Check:

                      • Would it matter that the old R720 has less storage than the new server?

                      Yes, which is why I mentioned the benefits of getting a cheaper server so that you save money while also getting big benefits from it.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @beta
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                        @beta said in SW Port - New Server for virtual host - Sanity Check:

                        • I posted this on SW a while ago because I was trying to understand where vSAN fits in: https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1976492-replicated-local-storage-virtual-sans-versus-application-ha and from what I had read (and some comments you had made to other posters) it seemed like things like SQL, Exchange, AD, etc are usually exempted from other types of HA in favor of their native application HA so I didn't really know if SQL would be a good candidate for vSAN.

                        That's totally true. The question is then... ARE you using application layer high availability for those things? Because you wouldn't use Veeam Replication either, if that were the case.

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                          Oh, one thing I was really curious about too, would it make sense to get an extra drive as a hot spare? Normally with OBR10 and spinning HDD, I'd put every spindle into the array, but since SSDs are going to give me plenty of IOPS and capacity, I didn't know if it is a good/bad idea with OBR5.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
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                            @beta said in SW Port - New Server for virtual host - Sanity Check:

                            Oh, one thing I was really curious about too, would it make sense to get an extra drive as a hot spare? Normally with OBR10 and spinning HDD, I'd put every spindle into the array, but since SSDs are going to give me plenty of IOPS and capacity, I didn't know if it is a good/bad idea with OBR5.

                            The rule of "no hot spare ever" for RAID 5 still applies. If you were going to do this, you would do OBR 6. OBR6 can make loads of sense here, but OBR5 + HS does not.

                            But it is up to you, depends on cost and risk aversion.

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