Where Are You Running Nextcloud
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@scottalanmiller said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@travisdh1 said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
Are we now looking at VPS's?
I thought the plan was basic web hosting + Cloudways/Vultr for VPS?Uhm.... VPS cost so little now, especially through the $2.50/month Vultr plan. Why would anyone consider shared hosting still?
B'cos some of us noobs still need "hand holding" aka cPanel & Softaculous!!
No one said not to have those things. I keep telling you, just install those two things on Vultr. Problem solved for cheap.
By the time I do that, I'm at BigScoots pricing level?
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@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
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@scottalanmiller said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@travisdh1 said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
Are we now looking at VPS's?
I thought the plan was basic web hosting + Cloudways/Vultr for VPS?Uhm.... VPS cost so little now, especially through the $2.50/month Vultr plan. Why would anyone consider shared hosting still?
Why haven't you moved all your stuff to Vultr?
That's what we are doing.
Including the ASO stuff?
That's all of our web right now. We have ASO paid for a bit, so not like moving overnight. Right now just the testing / development portion is going to a different "build it ourselves" platform. But yes, everything on ASO is slated to move to Vultr as we near the end of our ASO payment period.
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Just a quick cost estimate, we would get more speed and capacity on Vultr for $60/year paid monthly than we get on ASO for $200/year paid annually. So that's a $140 - $150 savings per year. Not too bad for an upgrade.
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Does that $60 plan cover everything you have? Are you going to install everything on a single server?
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@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
Does that $60 plan cover everything you have? Are you going to install everything on a single server?
Yes, everything on one server. Everything is on one server with pretty much any provider, anyway. Cloudways is one server, too. One server is the industry standard until you are a Top ~50 site with insane traffic. If you get too big for a single server, you split your load by site, not by function, until single sites go beyond the single server threshold. Only then, when a single site is that enormous, that you consider splitting functions.
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@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
Does that $60 plan cover everything you have? Are you going to install everything on a single server?
Keep in mind that we are talking BIG numbers when we talk about splitting. I know a certain site that runs on a single server and has topped 190 million requests in a single month and isn't even close to needing to split to more than one server. Estimates would put the need to split well into the billions of requests.
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Keep in mind that if you overrun the $60 Vultr size, you just update to the $120/year size. A 100% leap, but nowhere near the much smaller capacity you get with much higher price from someone like ASO. You can leap again to the $240 Vultr size and only just match the biggest shared plan that ASO has, which is smaller than the $60 Vultr plan in capacity.
So your potential growth with the Vultr approach is so much more than what you can do with most hosting providers. You get to grow to insane sizes without even going past the starting cost you would hit most places. You could host hundreds or thousands of websites at the $120/year price! Of course, assuming the are not abnormal ones.
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If you run the smallest Vultr plans, you are memory starved (this is the $2.50 plan) and can't really use tools like memory caches to speed things up. When you get to the $5 plan, under normal load, you can start to cache disk reads and you can add some memory caching. By the $10 plan you have lots of memory to spin up more web server worker threads for lower latency, and loads of memory for things like memcached and Varnish which will do a lot to really speed things up. You might even get Redis to make sense in that envelope.
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@scottalanmiller Who do you use for the generic "shared web hosting" function? I still want the "free" unlimited mailboxes/subdomains etc
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@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@scottalanmiller Who do you use for the generic "shared web hosting" function? I still want the "free" unlimited mailboxes/subdomains etc
At which location, do you mean historically with ASO? Then yes. But we never, ever use email from a web host no matter what we want. Having low cost mail is fine, but we never get it that way. It's a dangerous pairing.
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@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@scottalanmiller Who do you use for the generic "shared web hosting" function? I still want the "free" unlimited mailboxes/subdomains etc
What is the value to unlimited mailboxes that you get with any mail forwarding service? And why would you want to use someone else's domain when you have a choice?
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I use my own domains.
I like to have generic emails for different functions, like, [email protected] or [email protected]
I'd prefer to not have to pay for those. -
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
I use my own domains.
I like to have generic emails for different functions, like, [email protected] or [email protected]
I'd prefer to not have to pay for those.So, no mail forwarding service like sendmail available anywhere?
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@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
I use my own domains.
I like to have generic emails for different functions, like, [email protected] or [email protected]
I'd prefer to not have to pay for those.We don't pay for them anywhere, we just use aliases which are free on every system I know.
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@scottalanmiller said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
I use my own domains.
I like to have generic emails for different functions, like, [email protected] or [email protected]
I'd prefer to not have to pay for those.We don't pay for them anywhere, we just use aliases which are free on every system I know.
Damn, I just remembered (thx for the memory jog) you can totally do this with Ofc 365
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@scottalanmiller said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
I use my own domains.
I like to have generic emails for different functions, like, [email protected] or [email protected]
I'd prefer to not have to pay for those.We don't pay for them anywhere, we just use aliases which are free on every system I know.
Even better.
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@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@scottalanmiller said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
I use my own domains.
I like to have generic emails for different functions, like, [email protected] or [email protected]
I'd prefer to not have to pay for those.We don't pay for them anywhere, we just use aliases which are free on every system I know.
Damn, I just remembered (thx for the memory jog) you can totally do this with Ofc 365
Yup, so will Rackspace, Amazon, G Suite, Zimbra or anything else
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@FATeknollogee
If I were you, I'd just spin up another cheap server and install email software. The equivalent of how cPanel handles email would be something like CentOS Web Panel or Vesta or even Webmin. Or go hard core and set it all up manually, install Postfix and a webmail client and spamassasin and antivirus and all the other tools needed to do email. -
@guyinpv said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:
@FATeknollogee
If I were you, I'd just spin up another cheap server and install email software. The equivalent of how cPanel handles email would be something like CentOS Web Panel or Vesta or even Webmin. Or go hard core and set it all up manually, install Postfix and a webmail client and spamassasin and antivirus and all the other tools needed to do email.Or go big time and install Zimbra or similar. Still free, and Postfix under the hood. But no need to go lean, you could have an enterprise email platform once doing that. I'm not recommending Zimbra over Office 365 or G Suite or anything like that, just compared to a bare bones system.
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Forgot all about Zimbra.
I tried to set it up a couple years ago, failed miserably.
