Solved Issue installing Korora
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@Tim_G said in Issue installing Korora:
I'm trying to figure out the "value" of LTS from an IT systems engineer point of view:
Extremely little. It's not for system admins, it's for developers. The only "value" to system admins is being able to ignore systems without testing or updated (updates, not patches) for four times as long. Or longer. Maybe use LTS as an excuse to not just go two years between updates, but to skip every other update and go four years.
Think of people in the Windows world who are deploying 2008 R2 still today and think that that isn't crazy. And that only update Windows every two or three or even four releases. LTS is for those people in the Linux world.
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The benefit to developers is that it is easy to target Ubuntu LTS and only have to test your software against packages every two years, not every six months.
Same logic between Fedora and CentOS, really. And it's what has really encouraged me to start looking was more seriously at Fedora compared to CentOS 7. With modern tooling, the benefits of any long term support OS is diminishing to the point of being effectively worthless while keeping systems up to date with the latest features retains its value.
So just as I've never subscribed to the Ubuntu LTS value proposition, I'm rapidly seeing CentOS has having very little of one (but does have some due to the obvious market pressures of being the job leader and because Fedora does not map to any supported product whereas CentOS does.)
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@Tim_G said in Issue installing Korora:
Would I choose current to run Samba shares and web servers, and an app developer choose LTS to develop applications for? Is that all it really comes down to?
Pretty much, yes. For system admins that find updating their systems to be a trivial duty, LTS offers essentially nothing. But as we know, there are lots of admins for whom just updating their OS seems like a year long project.
LTS releases in every realm are also critical for government and other ridiculous anti-best practice certification. You need a ten year support cycle to get certified by the FDA for example.
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@scottalanmiller said in Issue installing Korora:
The benefit to developers is that it is easy to target Ubuntu LTS and only have to test your software against packages every two years, not every six months.
I think this is the winning statement for my complete understanding.
As an IT systems engineer, I care about security, and I care about the services my servers provide to continuously provide those services without unplanned interruption.
That tells me I should, for my purposes, stick with "current". And that the app developers would more likely choose LTS for their purposes, and reasons already mentioned in previous posts.
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@Tim_G said in Issue installing Korora:
@scottalanmiller said in Issue installing Korora:
The benefit to developers is that it is easy to target Ubuntu LTS and only have to test your software against packages every two years, not every six months.
I think this is the winning statement for my complete understanding.
As an IT systems engineer, I care about security, and I care about the services my servers provide continuously provide those services without unplanned interruption.
That tells me I should, for my purposes, stick with "current". And that the busy app developers would more likely choose LTS for their purposes, and reasons already mentioned in previous posts.
Ubuntu's convoluted system has led to real problems. Take MongoDB and Node.js. The MongoDB team only targets LTS for up to date releases. The Node team, only Current. If you want to run the latest from each team on a single box (a REALLY common thing to do) you are out of luck.
The biggest problem with Ubuntu's approach is that it is confusing. You can ask a product company "do you support RHEL" and when they say "yes" you know what they mean. But when you ask a company if they support Ubuntu, you don't. No one says that they support CentOS but only supports every fourth release. They might not always be up to date on the latest, but you can't say you support CentOS with a straight face and not support one of the last two releases at least.
But with Ubuntu, it's common for vendors to only target every fourth release AND trail by a year or two, meaning that they could be releasing for every fourth release... years behind. Making them up to eight releases behind current! It gets to be a mess.
The mix of LTS and Current I feel has made the "we just let it age" mentality in the Ubuntu world explode. Suddenly it is COMMON to hear of places actually running 12.04 today, that's about to be ten releases old in a few weeks. Imagine that in any other realm. It's the same as running Fedora 15 today on your servers! Imagine telling someone that you were doing that! But on Ubuntu... that's super common. Almost no one running Ubuntu that I talk to runs up to date. Ubuntu has taken on the Windows ecosystem's "don't update till it turns to dust" mentality.
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@scottalanmiller said in Issue installing Korora:
@Tim_G said in Issue installing Korora:
@scottalanmiller said in Issue installing Korora:
The benefit to developers is that it is easy to target Ubuntu LTS and only have to test your software against packages every two years, not every six months.
I think this is the winning statement for my complete understanding.
As an IT systems engineer, I care about security, and I care about the services my servers provide continuously provide those services without unplanned interruption.
That tells me I should, for my purposes, stick with "current". And that the busy app developers would more likely choose LTS for their purposes, and reasons already mentioned in previous posts.
Ubuntu's convoluted system has led to real problems. Take MongoDB and Node.js. The MongoDB team only targets LTS for up to date releases. The Node team, only Current. If you want to run the latest from each team on a single box (a REALLY common thing to do) you are out of luck.
The biggest problem with Ubuntu's approach is that it is confusing. You can ask a product company "do you support RHEL" and when they say "yes" you know what they mean. But when you ask a company if they support Ubuntu, you don't. No one says that they support CentOS but only supports every fourth release. They might not always be up to date on the latest, but you can't say you support CentOS with a straight face and not support one of the last two releases at least.
But with Ubuntu, it's common for vendors to only target every fourth release AND trail by a year or two, meaning that they could be releasing for every fourth release... years behind. Making them up to eight releases behind current! It gets to be a mess.
The mix of LTS and Current I feel has made the "we just let it age" mentality in the Ubuntu world explode. Suddenly it is COMMON to hear of places actually running 12.04 today, that's about to be ten releases old in a few weeks. Imagine that in any other realm. It's the same as running Fedora 15 today on your servers! Imagine telling someone that you were doing that! But on Ubuntu... that's super common. Almost no one running Ubuntu that I talk to runs up to date. Ubuntu has taken on the Windows ecosystem's "don't update till it turns to dust" mentality.
Yeah, makes sense. I agree.
I really wish Microsoft wouldn't have gone with the Ubuntu integration... bash for windows... (windows subsystem for Linux) or whatever you want to call it. I think I would have preferred RHEL based.
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@Tim_G said in Issue installing Korora:
I really wish Microsoft wouldn't have gone with the Ubuntu integration... bash for windows... (windows subsystem for Linux) or whatever you want to call it. I think I would have preferred RHEL based.
It's honestly so silly that... who cares. I can't fathom for whom that system has value. It's so cheesy.
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Was just looking at this.... look how close our Vultr system is to being Ubuntu-free. You can see Fedora sneaking in quickly. There is already a plan for the remaining Ubuntu to move to Fedora, as well. But we will see if and when that happens.
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That ISO image is CentOS, too.
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We have two other cloud providers, both 100% CentOS.
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You Linux guys are strange, where is the fun in typing all the time?
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@Texkonc said in Issue installing Korora:
You Linux guys are strange, where is the fun in typing all the time?
You don't PowerShell all the time?
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@Tim_G said in Issue installing Korora:
@Texkonc said in Issue installing Korora:
You Linux guys are strange, where is the fun in typing all the time?
You don't PowerShell all the time?
pssssst, dont need no stinkin powershell. remember to puff puff pass.
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We are all exhausted after this one today. But congrats on this and Dash's flow post taking a slow day and shooting it up to a really busy one!
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@Tim_G said in Issue installing Korora:
Lets say I have the most important website in the world to run on my server, and all I can use is Ubuntu Server. Which one do I download, and why?
The one which works for you after some serious test if this site is really critical. As a number of versions are out simultaneously, select from those which work the one with more security fixes ahead.
But realistically if this is really mission critial use centos. sof "common" server scenarios is more valuable to me. it simply sucks for repos (try scientific computation without third party softwares on centos... good luck).
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The old HP laptop I installed Korora on installed fine. It's dual booting nicely. And that is nice - since the Windows OS is (gag) Vista Home.
But on the desktop - running Win10 on an ASUS board and 120GB SSH isn't going so well. I've
gpartedthe drive giving myself about 40GB of space.
Which is a little less than I have on the HP, but never the less it should work fine. Yet I get errors-
And I can't get it to install. So - while I can toy around with Korora on the laptop, I'm a tad disappointed at the moment. Yet, I'm confident that I'm just missing some minute thing...
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Skip Automatic partitioning and go for manual. This might expose the problem.
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@gjacobse the main window shows >40gib free. My bet is the logic under it stops at the first free partition of 1MB.
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Still no love -
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@gjacobse Ok stupid question: is this a gpt disk?
