Pronunciations of SQL Derived Database Names and Terms
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Screw Wikipedia, there's only one way to determine the correct pronunciation - next time I see her, I'm going to ask the Queen how she pronounces it.
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@Tim_G said in What is a Database Management System:
Yeah I've always said sequel because that's how I learned it, not because I was aware of its original naming history.
Now that I do know, it just makes more sense to call it SQL instead of SEQUEL.
But when spelled SQL it was still called "sequel". So I don't follow the logic of why we would call it something else today, when SQL originally was pronounced "sequel." The copyright conflict is purely with the spelling, not the pronunciation, so that didn't change.
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@scottalanmiller just to be an ass this morning, you never acknowledged your mistaken statement on Wikipedia editing.
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@JaredBusch said in Pronunciations of SQL Derived Database Names and Terms:
@scottalanmiller just to be an ass this morning, you never acknowledged your mistaken statement on Wikipedia editing.
Sorry, never saw it and can barely see it now (took five minutes with the stupid Internet going up and down.) So anyone can edit now? I've tried in the past and it didn't let me. It always required all these hoops. Maybe it has changed. But I certainly have tried edits before and not been able to do so.
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@scottalanmiller said in Pronunciations of SQL Derived Database Names and Terms:
@JaredBusch said in Pronunciations of SQL Derived Database Names and Terms:
@scottalanmiller just to be an ass this morning, you never acknowledged your mistaken statement on Wikipedia editing.
Sorry, never saw it and can barely see it now (took five minutes with the stupid Internet going up and down.) So anyone can edit now? I've tried in the past and it didn't let me. It always required all these hoops. Maybe it has changed. But I certainly have tried edits before and not been able to do so.
It has been that way from the beginning. 100% open and unrestricted. Security was added later by protecting pages.
You were able to have an account from the beginning also to have credit for your edits. but it has always been optional.
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@JaredBusch said in Pronunciations of SQL Derived Database Names and Terms:
@scottalanmiller said in Pronunciations of SQL Derived Database Names and Terms:
@JaredBusch said in Pronunciations of SQL Derived Database Names and Terms:
@scottalanmiller just to be an ass this morning, you never acknowledged your mistaken statement on Wikipedia editing.
Sorry, never saw it and can barely see it now (took five minutes with the stupid Internet going up and down.) So anyone can edit now? I've tried in the past and it didn't let me. It always required all these hoops. Maybe it has changed. But I certainly have tried edits before and not been able to do so.
It has been that way from the beginning. 100% open and unrestricted. Security was added later by protecting pages.
You were able to have an account from the beginning also to have credit for your edits. but it has always been optional.
Maybe I only tried a locked page? I definitely edited stuff long ago. But then it seemed to be restrictive and not work the effort so I stopped.
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@scottalanmiller said in Pronunciations of SQL Derived Database Names and Terms:
The copyright conflict is purely with the spelling, not the pronunciation, so that didn't change.
I totally get it, and it makes complete sense when you look at it like that. Sure, it was originally SEQUEL (name, spelling, and pronunciation), so you still call it that even though that's not its name anymore. And you make strong points.
In the English language, the letters of a word and their ordering dictate the pronunciation. In this case, the abbreviation would be the 'word'.
For a long time now, it's been Structured Query Language, abbreviated: SQL. It's the successor of just Query Language (QUEL).
Structured 'English' Query Language (SEQUEL) just straight up does not exist. You are calling something by a name that does not exist, be it due to legal reasons or otherwise doesn't matter. The name changed, the abbreviation changed, therefore, the pronunciation changed as well. To say "SEQUEL", is to say it's Structured ENGLISH query language, which it is no longer. If you said SQUEL, you'd still be incorrect because that's not the abbreviation.
@scottalanmiller said in Pronunciations of SQL Derived Database Names and Terms:
But when spelled SQL it was still called "sequel". So I don't follow the logic of why we would call it something else today, when SQL originally was pronounced "sequel."
The logic is quite simple: It was once SEQUEL, but is no longer. The product name has changed to SQL.
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@Tim_G said in Pronunciations of SQL Derived Database Names and Terms:
The logic is quite simple: It was once SEQUEL, but is no longer. The product name has changed to SQL.
Absolutely, no question there. The issue is that when the name was changed to SQL the pronunciation of SQL was determined to be "sequel". That it changed how the name was written is never in dispute. But SQL's official pronunciation was "sequel." Not S-Q-L. So that the official name is written SQL and has not changed, we'd expect that the pronunciation would not have changed either as there was nothing to prompt it changing.
Talking about the spelling change from SEQUEL to SQL would only be relevant if we were proposing that the pronunciation changed with it, which would be logical. But it did not. The proposed revision to the pronunciation by a third party was not for a very long time. So the SEQUEL to SQL respelling is historically interesting, but disconnected from the pronunciation.
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@scottalanmiller said in Pronunciations of SQL Derived Database Names and Terms:
PostgreSQL is pronounced "Post - Gres - Q - L". It's a weird name, what can we say.
Then why the hell is the S capitalized? That's dumb.
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I dont even try with postgresql, i just say psql since that is the command used to do things with it.
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@wirestyle22 said in Pronunciations of SQL Derived Database Names and Terms:
@scottalanmiller said in Pronunciations of SQL Derived Database Names and Terms:
PostgreSQL is pronounced "Post - Gres - Q - L". It's a weird name, what can we say.
Then why the hell is the S capitalized? That's dumb.
It's capitalized, not separated by a period.
If you look at AetherStore you don't call it A-ether-S-tore, right? Capitalization doesn't prompt calling out the letters, it signifies the break between the root words. If it was Postgre.S.Q.L then we'd think that we'd pronounce each letter based on that standard.
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@wirestyle22 said in Pronunciations of SQL Derived Database Names and Terms:
@scottalanmiller said in Pronunciations of SQL Derived Database Names and Terms:
PostgreSQL is pronounced "Post - Gres - Q - L". It's a weird name, what can we say.
Then why the hell is the S capitalized? That's dumb.
MS SQL Server is "M S sequel server", but still capitalized
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Thank you. You see these names and unless you heard it pronounce correctly how else are you going to know how to pronounce them. I have a auditory disorder and have an extremely hard time sounding words out. I always try to look this stuff up before I talk to someone about it. Even then a lot of times I have to be careful not to mispronounce it just because my brain and tongue seem to be fighting each other.
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@PenguinWrangler said in Pronunciations of SQL Derived Database Names and Terms:
Thank you. You see these names and unless you heard it pronounce correctly how else are you going to know how to pronounce them. I have a auditory disorder and have an extremely hard time sounding words out. I always try to look this stuff up before I talk to someone about it. Even then a lot of times I have to be careful not to mispronounce it just because my brain and tongue seem to be fighting each other.
I'm one of the lucky ones that have been around these since the beginning so I got to hear a lot of them before they started having divergences. I started working on databases professionally in the 80s (my first internship was creating database front ends like Access - the application, not something made with Access) so I've been in and around the DB space for a long time.
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we have a company in my town: second quadrant. the provide professional postgresql support worldwide and they pronunce it "postgres". omitting the final "ql"
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@matteo-nunziati said in Pronunciations of SQL Derived Database Names and Terms:
we have a company in my town: second quadrant. the provide professional postgresql support worldwide and they pronunce it "postgres". omitting the final "ql"
That's the official pronunciation and it was originally spelled that way. The PostgreSQL spelling was added when it went open source.
