Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?
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I guess two branches of this could be...
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If you are looking for future Linux work (AKA, what would benefit a new user most.)
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If you are just looking for the best way to go starting from scratch.
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller at one point you had mentioned SUSE (openSUSE, I presume) as a suggestion here.
Why was that?
openSuse is what I use, especially Leap. Because I know it well and it has some extensive storage features. But unless you are going to use those features, you don't want to start exploring new distros that require different tools and knowledge unless there is specific need for it.
But if a user (like myself, for this kind of thing) has no prior knowledge of Centos?
I mean at this point, I know Ubuntu pretty well, too.
Everything but CentOS.
Well, you should not have been doing anything else until you were an expert on CentOS
CentOS is far and away the most appropriate for someone with less experience.Hey I just follow installation orders.
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller at one point you had mentioned SUSE (openSUSE, I presume) as a suggestion here.
Why was that?
openSuse is what I use, especially Leap. Because I know it well and it has some extensive storage features. But unless you are going to use those features, you don't want to start exploring new distros that require different tools and knowledge unless there is specific need for it.
But if a user (like myself, for this kind of thing) has no prior knowledge of Centos?
I mean at this point, I know Ubuntu pretty well, too.
Everything but CentOS.
Well, you should not have been doing anything else until you were an expert on CentOS
CentOS is far and away the most appropriate for someone with less experience.Why is that the case?
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller at one point you had mentioned SUSE (openSUSE, I presume) as a suggestion here.
Why was that?
openSuse is what I use, especially Leap. Because I know it well and it has some extensive storage features. But unless you are going to use those features, you don't want to start exploring new distros that require different tools and knowledge unless there is specific need for it.
But if a user (like myself, for this kind of thing) has no prior knowledge of Centos?
I mean at this point, I know Ubuntu pretty well, too.
Everything but CentOS.
Well, you should not have been doing anything else until you were an expert on CentOS
CentOS is far and away the most appropriate for someone with less experience.So to answer my other sub-question here. If someone came to you and said "I want to learn Linux" ... after you explained why the question is stated wrong (haha), you'd point them towards CentOS?
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@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
I guess two branches of this could be...
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If you are looking for future Linux work (AKA, what would benefit a new user most.)
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If you are just looking for the best way to go starting from scratch.
In both cases, CentOS is what makes the most sense.
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I was looking forward to using LEAP. It has a cute logo.
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@wirestyle22 said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller at one point you had mentioned SUSE (openSUSE, I presume) as a suggestion here.
Why was that?
openSuse is what I use, especially Leap. Because I know it well and it has some extensive storage features. But unless you are going to use those features, you don't want to start exploring new distros that require different tools and knowledge unless there is specific need for it.
But if a user (like myself, for this kind of thing) has no prior knowledge of Centos?
I mean at this point, I know Ubuntu pretty well, too.
Everything but CentOS.
Well, you should not have been doing anything else until you were an expert on CentOS
CentOS is far and away the most appropriate for someone with less experience.Why is that the case?
Because CentOS is the appropriate Linux for non-experts. It's the easiest to use, best documented, has the best support, is the most stable and secure, has the fewest caveats, is the least confusing, does not do marketing tricks like the Ubuntu LTS thing to confuse users, has a good community of people who understand the product, has the best application support, etc. It requires the least skill to use properly, and lets you do the most with it and provides for the best career options once you learn it.
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@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller at one point you had mentioned SUSE (openSUSE, I presume) as a suggestion here.
Why was that?
openSuse is what I use, especially Leap. Because I know it well and it has some extensive storage features. But unless you are going to use those features, you don't want to start exploring new distros that require different tools and knowledge unless there is specific need for it.
But if a user (like myself, for this kind of thing) has no prior knowledge of Centos?
I mean at this point, I know Ubuntu pretty well, too.
Everything but CentOS.
Well, you should not have been doing anything else until you were an expert on CentOS
CentOS is far and away the most appropriate for someone with less experience.So to answer my other sub-question here. If someone came to you and said "I want to learn Linux" ... after you explained why the question is stated wrong (haha), you'd point them towards CentOS?
Always. And I do in a thread at least once a week. And my Linux course explains that as well as to why CentOS is used for the course.
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@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
I was looking forward to using LEAP. It has a cute logo.
OpenSuse is great and there is nothing wrong with it. If your goal is to learn OpenSuse, not Linux in general, then there you go. But it's harder to get started with and has a fraction of the resources that CentOS does. Few cloud providers even provide it, which is sad and shocking but it is what it is.
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@scottalanmiller said
Always. And I do in a thread at least once a week. And my Linux course explains that as well as to why CentOS is used for the course.
Well, you do give pros and cons for all.
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CentOS is also the Dom0 of XenServer. So you get great overlap there for people using that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
CentOS is also the Dom0 of XenServer. So you get great overlap there for people using that.
Those crazy f'ers.
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@scottalanmiller That makes perfect sense. Thanks!
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@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
CentOS is also the Dom0 of XenServer. So you get great overlap there for people using that.
Those crazy f'ers.
And that comment just reminded me that I haven't installed Dell's OpenManage on the rebuilt server yet. Gotta go do that.
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@travisdh1 said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
CentOS is also the Dom0 of XenServer. So you get great overlap there for people using that.
Those crazy f'ers.
And that comment just reminded me that I haven't installed Dell's OpenManage on the rebuilt server yet. Gotta go do that.
Oooh, me too.
And also get my UPS working.
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
CentOS. Because there is no compelling reason to look at anything else and by default I always start there - it's the best known, most stable, best supported. So unless you have a specific reason to look elsewhere, that's what you use IMHO.
I don't feel that this is a real answer to Bill's question. Does it answer it, sure, but doesn't explain why.
What makes CentOS better than Ubuntu, RHEL, Debian (not Linux I know, but still), etc?
Now I'm late to the conversation and the additional reasons might be posted.. I just still wanted to post this. Scott, more explanation is really needed for those who don't know the major players in the Linux community and what makes one better at one thing versus the next.
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@Dashrender said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
CentOS. Because there is no compelling reason to look at anything else and by default I always start there - it's the best known, most stable, best supported. So unless you have a specific reason to look elsewhere, that's what you use IMHO.
I don't feel that this is a real answer to Bill's question. Does it answer it, sure, but doesn't explain why.
What makes CentOS better than Ubuntu, RHEL, Debian (not Linux I know, but still), etc?
I think he did answer it...
"Because CentOS is the appropriate Linux for non-experts. It's the easiest to use, best documented, has the best support, is the most stable and secure, has the fewest caveats, is the least confusing, does not do marketing tricks like the Ubuntu LTS thing to confuse users, has a good community of people who understand the product, has the best application support, etc. It requires the least skill to use properly, and lets you do the most with it and provides for the best career options once you learn it."
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@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@Dashrender said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
CentOS. Because there is no compelling reason to look at anything else and by default I always start there - it's the best known, most stable, best supported. So unless you have a specific reason to look elsewhere, that's what you use IMHO.
I don't feel that this is a real answer to Bill's question. Does it answer it, sure, but doesn't explain why.
What makes CentOS better than Ubuntu, RHEL, Debian (not Linux I know, but still), etc?
I think he did answer it...
"Because CentOS is the appropriate Linux for non-experts. It's the easiest to use, best documented, has the best support, is the most stable and secure, has the fewest caveats, is the least confusing, does not do marketing tricks like the Ubuntu LTS thing to confuse users, has a good community of people who understand the product, has the best application support, etc. It requires the least skill to use properly, and lets you do the most with it and provides for the best career options once you learn it."
yeah you beat me to me editing my post
I said he probably did eventually answer it.
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@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
I guess two branches of this could be...
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If you are looking for future Linux work (AKA, what would benefit a new user most.)
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If you are just looking for the best way to go starting from scratch.
- CentOS...
- CentOS...
CentOS is easily the most user friendly of the ones I've played with. I'm running a bit of OpenSUSE at home just to play with it but I 90% of my stuff is CentOS.
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
@scottalanmiller at one point you had mentioned SUSE (openSUSE, I presume) as a suggestion here.
Why was that?
openSuse is what I use, especially Leap. Because I know it well and it has some extensive storage features. But unless you are going to use those features, you don't want to start exploring new distros that require different tools and knowledge unless there is specific need for it.
But if a user (like myself, for this kind of thing) has no prior knowledge of Centos?
I mean at this point, I know Ubuntu pretty well, too.
Everything but CentOS.
Well, you should not have been doing anything else until you were an expert on CentOS
CentOS is far and away the most appropriate for someone with less experience.Says who and why? Where is this magic knowledge that should lead someone to know that CentOS is where they should start?
@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:
- Fully commercially supported when needed, both from primary vendors and from countless third parties.
- Best known Linux distro for business use.
- Best supported Linux distro for business use cases and applications.
- Most focus on high stability of any Linux distro (versus latest features.)
- Most focus on business technologies (like clustering that is totally absent in ones like Ubuntu.)
- Best understanding of its community for business needs.
- Longest support cycles of any enterprise Linux distro.
- Few small core package list with extensive support.
This could be all on the brochure for CentOS, doesn't make it true - we would just have to trust it, and hear from the community.
As for why has Bill started with Ubuntu? Because most of the projects that he's deployed so far have come with instructions explicitly for Ubuntu (namely XO and Unifi Controller).
