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    Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD

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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender
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      Scott will soon be adding vCenter - forgot the single pain of glass software for a system larger than the VMWare Essentials

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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        @Dashrender said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:

        Scott will soon be adding vCenter - forgot the single pain of glass software for a system larger than the VMWare Essentials

        Yup, overlooked that since it was included at three nodes.

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        • htbaseH
          htbase
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          Would you mind if I add HTBase's HyperTask to the comparison?

          Four node system with 2x Intel Xen E5-2650v4 per node, 256GB per node, 6TB of SSD per node.

          Total cost (including 4 nodes and 3 years support):

          $71,600

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @htbase
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            @htbase said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:

            Would you mind if I add HTBase's HyperTask to the comparison?

            Four node system with 2x Intel Xen E5-2650v4 per node, 256GB per node, 6TB of SSD per node.

            Total cost (including 4 nodes and 3 years support):

            $71,600

            Need the 5 year support so that it matches the timeframe. I don't recall, are these the same processors Scott listed in the other thread?

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            • htbaseH
              htbase @Dashrender
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              @Dashrender Processors are better in our case compared to the original thread.

              To add 2 additional years of support, you would just be adding $5K, bringing the total to $76,600

              Still a good price when compared

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                @Dashrender said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:

                @htbase said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:

                Would you mind if I add HTBase's HyperTask to the comparison?

                Four node system with 2x Intel Xen E5-2650v4 per node, 256GB per node, 6TB of SSD per node.

                Total cost (including 4 nodes and 3 years support):

                $71,600

                Need the 5 year support so that it matches the timeframe. I don't recall, are these the same processors Scott listed in the other thread?

                No, he used slightly higher end procs, the 2650 instead of the 2620

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @htbase
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                  @htbase said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:

                  @Dashrender Processors are better in our case compared to the original thread.

                  To add 2 additional years of support, you would just be adding $5K, bringing the total to $76,600

                  Still a good price when compared

                  So you have 6 TB SSD storage, what about the 32 TB of additional storage? really hoping to see an apples to apples comparison. granted, currently if you just added 32 TB of HDD, you'd be way ahead because you have 24 TB of SSD storage, vs the others having 8 TB of SSD storage.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @htbase
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                    @htbase thanks for jumping in to the "mix".

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                    • htbaseH
                      htbase @Dashrender
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                      @Dashrender Yep, in that configuration we have 24 TB of SSD.

                      If we added an additional 32TB of HDD (given the fact you would already have 24TB of SSD), it would add around $13,000 to the total cost provided before

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                      • htbaseH
                        htbase @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller :thumbsup_tone2:

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @htbase
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                          @htbase said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:

                          @Dashrender Yep, in that configuration we have 24 TB of SSD.

                          If we added an additional 32TB of HDD (given the fact you would already have 24TB of SSD), it would add around $13,000 to the total cost provided before

                          So rolling that all together (though we have no idea what it looks like in configuration) we have
                          4 units (dual xeon 2650, 256 GB RAM, 6 TB SSD, 8 TB HDD, 5 yr warranty/support) = $89,600

                          Is that right?

                          So we have better processors, double the RAM and of the 56 TB of storage 30% more of it is SSD. right?

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender
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                            Scott didn't mention the RAID controller in his Dells, what kind of RAID are in your boxes? how about the warranty, what are the details?

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                              @Dashrender said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:

                              Scott didn't mention the RAID controller in his Dells, what kind of RAID are in your boxes? how about the warranty, what are the details?

                              No RAID with hyperconverged players. Not that there couldn't be, but no one uses one. Since everyone has to have RAIN anyway at a higher layer, having a RAID controller doesn't add any value. So none in the Scale, VSAN, Starwind or IPOD examples. Not just no RAID controller, no RAID at all. HTBase is the same in that regard.

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:

                                @Dashrender said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:

                                Scott didn't mention the RAID controller in his Dells, what kind of RAID are in your boxes? how about the warranty, what are the details?

                                No RAID with hyperconverged players. Not that there couldn't be, but no one uses one. Since everyone has to have RAIN anyway at a higher layer, having a RAID controller doesn't add any value. So none in the Scale, VSAN, Starwind or IPOD examples. Not just no RAID controller, no RAID at all. HTBase is the same in that regard.

                                for the uninitiated, you just blew my mind a little.

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                                • travisdh1T
                                  travisdh1 @Dashrender
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                                  @Dashrender said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:

                                  @Dashrender said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:

                                  Scott didn't mention the RAID controller in his Dells, what kind of RAID are in your boxes? how about the warranty, what are the details?

                                  No RAID with hyperconverged players. Not that there couldn't be, but no one uses one. Since everyone has to have RAIN anyway at a higher layer, having a RAID controller doesn't add any value. So none in the Scale, VSAN, Starwind or IPOD examples. Not just no RAID controller, no RAID at all. HTBase is the same in that regard.

                                  for the uninitiated, you just blew my mind a little.

                                  @Dashrender I was SO confused the first few times I ran into RAIN being discussed.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                                    @Dashrender said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:

                                    @Dashrender said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:

                                    Scott didn't mention the RAID controller in his Dells, what kind of RAID are in your boxes? how about the warranty, what are the details?

                                    No RAID with hyperconverged players. Not that there couldn't be, but no one uses one. Since everyone has to have RAIN anyway at a higher layer, having a RAID controller doesn't add any value. So none in the Scale, VSAN, Starwind or IPOD examples. Not just no RAID controller, no RAID at all. HTBase is the same in that regard.

                                    for the uninitiated, you just blew my mind a little.

                                    @John-Nicholson and I have been talking about the death of RAID for years. RAID pretty much exists as a vestige for very small environments that still see their infrastructure in terms of "a single server" and not as clusters and clouds. Once you get beyond the "each node handles its own storage" point (which only applies to one or possibly two host clusters) RAID has no value. Gluster, CEPH, and anything perceived as "cloud storage" and anything like VSAN, Starwind or hyperconvergence are all RAID-less. We've long been in the post-RAID world, RAID remains almost solely for the smallest SMBs.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller
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                                      We were on the cusp of being post-RAID at the Wall St. shop I was in by 2006. We were evaluating non-RAID clustering but it just wasn't there in performance terms at the time. We were able to use RAID to go faster for our big performance needs, but that was a long time ago. Luster was a major push to change that.

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                                      • htbaseH
                                        htbase @Dashrender
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                                        @Dashrender Yep, thats right!

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                                        • dafyreD
                                          dafyre @scottalanmiller
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                                          @scottalanmiller said in Cost Study: 4 Node Scale vs. 4 Node VMware IPOD:

                                          We were on the cusp of being post-RAID at the Wall St. shop I was in by 2006. We were evaluating non-RAID clustering but it just wasn't there in performance terms at the time. We were able to use RAID to go faster for our big performance needs, but that was a long time ago. Luster was a major push to change that.

                                          What are alternatives to Lustre today? Gluster?

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                                          • htbaseH
                                            htbase @dafyre
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                                            @dafyre HTFS from HTBase too! 😄

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