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    • thwrT
      thwr @ChrisL
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      @ChrisL said in Internal Storage is always better.:

      We just published a blog this morning on RAID arrays, fault tolerance, etc. For someone that isn't well versed in the data storage aspect, I thought it was a nice little insight into how it works.

      Your link is broken (check the lowercase L in front of http, known bug)

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      • ChrisLC
        ChrisL @thwr
        last edited by

        @thwr said in Internal Storage is always better.:

        @ChrisL said in Internal Storage is always better.:

        We just published a blog this morning on RAID arrays, fault tolerance, etc. For someone that isn't well versed in the data storage aspect, I thought it was a nice little insight into how it works.

        Your link is broken (check the lowercase L in front of http, known bug)

        FIXED. here's the link as well: http://www.colocationamerica.com/blog/what-is-raid-fault-tolerance

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        • travisdh1T
          travisdh1 @DustinB3403
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          @DustinB3403 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

          I'm gonna guess the Raid 10

          Double check those...

          md2, RAID1, speed=54044
          md1, RAID1, speed=1213
          md0, RAID10, speed=761

          The speed difference between md2 and md1 is purely internal vs DAS, and md0 is just slow drives (5400 rpm instead of 7200 rpm.)

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          • coliverC
            coliver @travisdh1
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            @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

            @DustinB3403 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

            I'm gonna guess the Raid 10

            Double check those...

            md2, RAID1, speed=54044
            md1, RAID1, speed=1213
            md0, RAID10, speed=761

            The speed difference between md2 and md1 is purely internal vs DAS, and md0 is just slow drives (5400 rpm instead of 7200 rpm.)

            md0,speed=76109K/sec
            md1,speed=12136K/sec
            md2,speed=54044K/sec.

            So md1 is the slowest and md0 is the fastest.

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403 @travisdh1
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              @travisdh1 Maybe I'm reading it wrong from the size of the screengrab,

              But I read md0 as 76109K/sec and md1 as 12136K/sec and md2 as 54044K/sec

              Clearly md0 is faster.

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              • thwrT
                thwr @travisdh1
                last edited by

                @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                @DustinB3403 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                I'm gonna guess the Raid 10

                Double check those...

                md2, RAID1, speed=54044
                md1, RAID1, speed=1213
                md0, RAID10, speed=761

                The speed difference between md2 and md1 is purely internal vs DAS, and md0 is just slow drives (5400 rpm instead of 7200 rpm.)

                DAS should not have a huge impact IMHO. It's still direct attached, there are just expanders (read: ~ "USB Hubs") in between.

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                • travisdh1T
                  travisdh1 @thwr
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                  @thwr said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                  @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                  @DustinB3403 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                  I'm gonna guess the Raid 10

                  Double check those...

                  md2, RAID1, speed=54044
                  md1, RAID1, speed=1213
                  md0, RAID10, speed=761

                  The speed difference between md2 and md1 is purely internal vs DAS, and md0 is just slow drives (5400 rpm instead of 7200 rpm.)

                  DAS should not have a huge impact IMHO. It's still direct attached, there are just expanders (read: ~ "USB Hubs") in between.

                  I'm not reading my own screen grab right, missing the line split 😞

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                  • thwrT
                    thwr @travisdh1
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                    @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                    I'm not reading my own screen grab right, missing the line split

                    exactly. It is:

                    md2, RAID1, speed=54044
                    md1, RAID1, speed=12136
                    md0, RAID10, speed=76109

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                    • thwrT
                      thwr @thwr
                      last edited by

                      @thwr said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                      @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                      I'm not reading my own screen grab right, missing the line split

                      exactly. It is:

                      md2, RAID1, speed=54044
                      md1, RAID1, speed=12136
                      md0, RAID10, speed=76109

                      So why is your md1 this slow?

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                      • travisdh1T
                        travisdh1
                        last edited by

                        Now that I'm reading things right, I'm guessing md1 and md0 are both fully utilizing the ESATA connection with 4 drives connected to each channel.

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                        • thwrT
                          thwr @travisdh1
                          last edited by

                          @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                          Now that I'm reading things right, I'm guessing md1 and md0 are both fully utilizing the ESATA connection with 4 drives connected to each channel.

                          but md0 is nearly 7 times faster. Just because RAID10 vs RAID1? I would understand if the RAID10 is twice as fast, but 7 times is a bit much.

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                          • travisdh1T
                            travisdh1 @thwr
                            last edited by

                            @thwr said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                            @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                            Now that I'm reading things right, I'm guessing md1 and md0 are both fully utilizing the ESATA connection with 4 drives connected to each channel.

                            but md0 is nearly 7 times faster. Just because RAID10 vs RAID1? I would understand if the RAID10 is twice as fast, but 7 times is a bit much.

                            Well, that is 6 drives compared to only 2... still, 7 times as fast is odd.

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                            • coliverC
                              coliver @travisdh1
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                              @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                              @thwr said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                              @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                              Now that I'm reading things right, I'm guessing md1 and md0 are both fully utilizing the ESATA connection with 4 drives connected to each channel.

                              but md0 is nearly 7 times faster. Just because RAID10 vs RAID1? I would understand if the RAID10 is twice as fast, but 7 times is a bit much.

                              Well, that is 6 drives compared to only 2... still, 7 times as fast is odd.

                              You said you had 5400RPM drives? That would account for the slowness.

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                              • thwrT
                                thwr @travisdh1
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                                @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                                @thwr said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                                @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                                Now that I'm reading things right, I'm guessing md1 and md0 are both fully utilizing the ESATA connection with 4 drives connected to each channel.

                                but md0 is nearly 7 times faster. Just because RAID10 vs RAID1? I would understand if the RAID10 is twice as fast, but 7 times is a bit much.

                                Well, that is 6 drives compared to only 2... still, 7 times as fast is odd.

                                Oh, i thought its 4 vs 4. Wait a sec

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                                • thwrT
                                  thwr @thwr
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                                  @thwr said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                                  @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                                  @thwr said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                                  @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                                  Now that I'm reading things right, I'm guessing md1 and md0 are both fully utilizing the ESATA connection with 4 drives connected to each channel.

                                  but md0 is nearly 7 times faster. Just because RAID10 vs RAID1? I would understand if the RAID10 is twice as fast, but 7 times is a bit much.

                                  Well, that is 6 drives compared to only 2... still, 7 times as fast is odd.

                                  Oh, i thought its 4 vs 4. Wait a sec

                                  The 6 disk RAID 10 should be 3 times faster, but I'm not sure about this. Don't know how up to date this http://wintelguy.com/raidperf2.pl is

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                                  • travisdh1T
                                    travisdh1 @thwr
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                                    @thwr said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                                    @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                                    @thwr said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                                    @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                                    Now that I'm reading things right, I'm guessing md1 and md0 are both fully utilizing the ESATA connection with 4 drives connected to each channel.

                                    but md0 is nearly 7 times faster. Just because RAID10 vs RAID1? I would understand if the RAID10 is twice as fast, but 7 times is a bit much.

                                    Well, that is 6 drives compared to only 2... still, 7 times as fast is odd.

                                    Oh, i thought its 4 vs 4. Wait a sec

                                    The expanders are 4 drives each, and the RAID 10 is 6 drives of one of the two channels and the RAID1 is two drives on one.

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                                    • thwrT
                                      thwr @travisdh1
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                                      @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                                      @thwr said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                                      @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                                      @thwr said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                                      @travisdh1 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                                      Now that I'm reading things right, I'm guessing md1 and md0 are both fully utilizing the ESATA connection with 4 drives connected to each channel.

                                      but md0 is nearly 7 times faster. Just because RAID10 vs RAID1? I would understand if the RAID10 is twice as fast, but 7 times is a bit much.

                                      Well, that is 6 drives compared to only 2... still, 7 times as fast is odd.

                                      Oh, i thought its 4 vs 4. Wait a sec

                                      The expanders are 4 drives each, and the RAID 10 is 6 drives of one of the two channels and the RAID1 is two drives on one.

                                      Ah ok

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403
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                                        So this looks like an MD array, is this running on XenServer?

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403
                                          last edited by

                                          Also you've got approx 8TB of space there, correct?

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                                          • travisdh1T
                                            travisdh1 @DustinB3403
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                                            @DustinB3403 said in Internal Storage is always better.:

                                            Also you've got approx 8TB of space there, correct?

                                            Yes.

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