XenServer local storage on a T3500
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@Dashrender said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@Dashrender said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
Does Veeam support XenServer now? When did that happen?
Has for a long time. Just not the way that you mean. Veeam has one existing product that works on XenServer and one new one just releasing. Both are agent-based Veeam backups.
Oh you're talking about the EndPoint Protection (Free client).
It looks like they flushed that out to a full support suite now. Great, now there's a solution for XS with Veeam.
Yes, they have a free client (agent) and a non-free full feature agent as well now. Works on XS, works on KVM (which includes Scale and products like that and such.)
I hate this. You of all people should know better than to claim it works on XS/KVM.
It is an agent inside the guest and knows absolutely dick about the hypervisor.
It does not work on XS/KVM. It works on the supported guest OS that happens to be running on any hypervisor.
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@JaredBusch I made a similar statement above, it works inside of the VM, regardless of the Hypervisor.
It's agent based, not agentless.
The terms are very clear.
Agent Based - runs inside of the guest OS.
Agentless - Runs outside of the guest OS, generally on the hypervisor. -
@JaredBusch said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@Dashrender said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@Dashrender said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
Does Veeam support XenServer now? When did that happen?
Has for a long time. Just not the way that you mean. Veeam has one existing product that works on XenServer and one new one just releasing. Both are agent-based Veeam backups.
Oh you're talking about the EndPoint Protection (Free client).
It looks like they flushed that out to a full support suite now. Great, now there's a solution for XS with Veeam.
Yes, they have a free client (agent) and a non-free full feature agent as well now. Works on XS, works on KVM (which includes Scale and products like that and such.)
I hate this. You of all people should know better than to claim it works on XS/KVM.
It is an agent inside the guest and knows absolutely dick about the hypervisor.
It does not work on XS/KVM. It works on the supported guest OS that happens to be running on any hypervisor.
And KVM has its own backup system built in.
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Well, it does look like I messed up while adding the local storage. I'll just reinstall after I clear another problem child off my bench.
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@travisdh1 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
Well, it does look like I messed up while adding the local storage. I'll just reinstall after I clear another problem child off my bench.
What was messed up during the installation?
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@DustinB3403 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@travisdh1 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
Well, it does look like I messed up while adding the local storage. I'll just reinstall after I clear another problem child off my bench.
What was messed up during the installation?
Nothing during the installation. I'm thinking I added the local storage wrong and couldn't find how to undo what I did in an hour yesterday, it's faster to just wipe and redo it.
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@travisdh1 Is this on an array larger than 2TB? I'm assuming so, right?
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@DustinB3403 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@travisdh1 Is this on an array larger than 2TB? I'm assuming so, right?
Yes, 6 2TB drives in RAID 10.
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@travisdh1 Okay cool, so a 6TB array.
Did you try to use the array directly from the installation, or did you skip using any local storage, and wanted to configure it manually?
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@DustinB3403 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@travisdh1 Okay cool, so a 6TB array.
Did you try to use the array directly from the installation, or did you skip using any local storage, and wanted to configure it manually?
I waited and did it manually. Software RAID, so I don't think the install script gives you the choice of using it. If it does I can give that a shot this time.
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@travisdh1 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@travisdh1 Okay cool, so a 6TB array.
Did you try to use the array directly from the installation, or did you skip using any local storage, and wanted to configure it manually?
I waited and did it manually. Software RAID, so I don't think the install script gives you the choice of using it. If it does I can give that a shot this time.
Oh, yeah software array you have to configure inside of XS, so you won't be able to set it up from the installer.
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@travisdh1 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@travisdh1 Okay cool, so a 6TB array.
Did you try to use the array directly from the installation, or did you skip using any local storage, and wanted to configure it manually?
I waited and did it manually. Software RAID, so I don't think the install script gives you the choice of using it. If it does I can give that a shot this time.
Why did you go Software RAID?
But that does explain why you didn't see the ext3 issue Dustin was seeing during his install.
Do you think your lvm issue was because of something you did incorrectly when trying to attach it, not something that was wrong with lvm?
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@travisdh1 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@travisdh1 Okay cool, so a 6TB array.
Did you try to use the array directly from the installation, or did you skip using any local storage, and wanted to configure it manually?
I waited and did it manually. Software RAID, so I don't think the install script gives you the choice of using it. If it does I can give that a shot this time.
That's what I had been wondering, you had left the XS standard support system and are doing it manually, so a bunch of manual work is expected.
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@travisdh1 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@travisdh1 Okay cool, so a 6TB array.
Did you try to use the array directly from the installation, or did you skip using any local storage, and wanted to configure it manually?
I waited and did it manually. Software RAID, so I don't think the install script gives you the choice of using it. If it does I can give that a shot this time.
That's what I had been wondering, you had left the XS standard support system and are doing it manually, so a bunch of manual work is expected.
You can't get lvm during install, at least with v6.5. There is no option to choose the setup type of the SR.
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@Dashrender said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@travisdh1 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@travisdh1 Okay cool, so a 6TB array.
Did you try to use the array directly from the installation, or did you skip using any local storage, and wanted to configure it manually?
I waited and did it manually. Software RAID, so I don't think the install script gives you the choice of using it. If it does I can give that a shot this time.
That's what I had been wondering, you had left the XS standard support system and are doing it manually, so a bunch of manual work is expected.
You can't get lvm during install, at least with v6.5. There is no option to choose the setup type of the SR.
Yes there is. We tell people to pick ext3 most of the time as the only thing you need to know during the setup. It's labeled "thin provisioned."
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@travisdh1 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@travisdh1 Okay cool, so a 6TB array.
Did you try to use the array directly from the installation, or did you skip using any local storage, and wanted to configure it manually?
I waited and did it manually. Software RAID, so I don't think the install script gives you the choice of using it. If it does I can give that a shot this time.
That's what I had been wondering, you had left the XS standard support system and are doing it manually, so a bunch of manual work is expected.
Yep. Basically, the T3500 replaces a low power box that was only storage space. With the T3500, it has enough horsepower to cover other services when the one real server goes down. So why not have that security blanket is how my logic is working.
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@scottalanmiller said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@Dashrender said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@travisdh1 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@travisdh1 Okay cool, so a 6TB array.
Did you try to use the array directly from the installation, or did you skip using any local storage, and wanted to configure it manually?
I waited and did it manually. Software RAID, so I don't think the install script gives you the choice of using it. If it does I can give that a shot this time.
That's what I had been wondering, you had left the XS standard support system and are doing it manually, so a bunch of manual work is expected.
You can't get lvm during install, at least with v6.5. There is no option to choose the setup type of the SR.
Yes there is. We tell people to pick ext3 most of the time as the only thing you need to know during the setup. It's labeled "thin provisioned."
OHhHHHH... Again my Linux knowledge being what is isn't... I didn't know that.
So lvm can't thin provision?
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@Dashrender said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@Dashrender said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@scottalanmiller said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@travisdh1 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@DustinB3403 said in XenServer local storage on a T3500:
@travisdh1 Okay cool, so a 6TB array.
Did you try to use the array directly from the installation, or did you skip using any local storage, and wanted to configure it manually?
I waited and did it manually. Software RAID, so I don't think the install script gives you the choice of using it. If it does I can give that a shot this time.
That's what I had been wondering, you had left the XS standard support system and are doing it manually, so a bunch of manual work is expected.
You can't get lvm during install, at least with v6.5. There is no option to choose the setup type of the SR.
Yes there is. We tell people to pick ext3 most of the time as the only thing you need to know during the setup. It's labeled "thin provisioned."
OHhHHHH... Again my Linux knowledge being what is isn't... I didn't know that.
So lvm can't thin provision?
Within this context, correct.
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When would you NOT want to thin provision?
And are you saying if it is over 2TB you cannot thin provision?
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@scottalanmiller said
Right, there is a known problem that makes XO slow because of what it uses under the hood. Use Veeam and it will be fast, I'm sure. It's not an XS speed issue. It's a XAPI call speed issue that is leveraged by XO.
It's not just XO. A lot of the people on the XS bug tracker aren't using XO. It's just a bug in exporting/importing.
