Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink
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THe quote is: "HP is backtracking on a firmware update that recently blocked some printers from using third-party ink cartridges. Some users reported that the update sometimes mistakenly marked legitimate ink as fake, so HP’s CEO Jon Flaxman wrote today that the company will issue a new update to turn off the DRM.
HP also clarified that third-party cartridges still work with the original update, so long as they’re built with HP security chips — aka HP is getting a cut of their business. The first mandatory update took effect on September 13th and forced printers to display "damaged cartridge" whenever a bad third-party cartridge was loaded. Following its activation, at least one company vowed to create new chips that could subvert the security check. It looks like that won’t be needed for now."
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Still a no-buy in my book now. I'll probably stop recommending all HP products, as well... just in case they start trying to mark 3rd party hard drives as bad in controller / firmware updates. At least those are less likely to happen automagically.
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Yeah it is enough reason for me to not buy anything as well. However we went to Brother for printer a few years ago.
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@dafyre said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Still a no-buy in my book now. I'll probably stop recommending all HP products, as well... just in case they start trying to mark 3rd party hard drives as bad in controller / firmware updates. At least those are less likely to happen automagically.
They already do this. As does Dell.
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@dafyre said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Still a no-buy in my book now. I'll probably stop recommending all HP products, as well... just in case they start trying to mark 3rd party hard drives as bad in controller / firmware updates. At least those are less likely to happen automagically.
THat's what I was wondering would happen. HP did something bad, and now people are already blaming HPE - a different company.
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@Minion-Queen said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Yeah it is enough reason for me to not buy anything as well. However we went to Brother for printer a few years ago.
Remember there is a difference between HP and HPE though as @scottalanmiller has reminded us.
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Meh, not worried about it I always buy genuine. I've tried 3rd party in the past and they tend to give nothing but issues... Seems they have a much shorter lifespan as well.
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BTW it looks like they partially reversed their decision
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/me blinks and scrolls up to 16 hours ago.
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@Minion-Queen said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Minion-Queen said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Yeah it is enough reason for me to not buy anything as well. However we went to Brother for printer a few years ago.
Remember there is a difference between HP and HPE though as @scottalanmiller has reminded us.
All Printers even LaserJet Pro is considered HP, not HPE though.
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@Jason said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Minion-Queen said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Minion-Queen said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Yeah it is enough reason for me to not buy anything as well. However we went to Brother for printer a few years ago.
Remember there is a difference between HP and HPE though as @scottalanmiller has reminded us.
All Printers even LaserJet Pro is considered HP, not HPE though.
Yes, all of the issues are with HP. But He had been saying that he was going to question using HPE because of something that HP did.
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@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Jason said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Minion-Queen said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Minion-Queen said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Yeah it is enough reason for me to not buy anything as well. However we went to Brother for printer a few years ago.
Remember there is a difference between HP and HPE though as @scottalanmiller has reminded us.
All Printers even LaserJet Pro is considered HP, not HPE though.
Yes, all of the issues are with HP. But He had been saying that he was going to question using HPE because of something that HP did.
@scottalanmiller : Do both companies have many of the same people on the board of directors?
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@dafyre said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Jason said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Minion-Queen said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Minion-Queen said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Yeah it is enough reason for me to not buy anything as well. However we went to Brother for printer a few years ago.
Remember there is a difference between HP and HPE though as @scottalanmiller has reminded us.
All Printers even LaserJet Pro is considered HP, not HPE though.
Yes, all of the issues are with HP. But He had been saying that he was going to question using HPE because of something that HP did.
@scottalanmiller : Do both companies have many of the same people on the board of directors?
Is that significant? Lots of companies share boards.
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The two have been making divergent board decisions since the split. Here is the board split info: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/12/hp-announces-post-split-board-members-for-hewlett-packard-enterprise-and-hp-inc.html
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@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@dafyre said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Jason said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Minion-Queen said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Minion-Queen said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Yeah it is enough reason for me to not buy anything as well. However we went to Brother for printer a few years ago.
Remember there is a difference between HP and HPE though as @scottalanmiller has reminded us.
All Printers even LaserJet Pro is considered HP, not HPE though.
Yes, all of the issues are with HP. But He had been saying that he was going to question using HPE because of something that HP did.
@scottalanmiller : Do both companies have many of the same people on the board of directors?
Is that significant? Lots of companies share boards.
When HPE, which happens to have a large portion of its board also on HP's board, yes, I'd suggest that is significant, especially in light of the stunts being pulled by HP.
That their boards are diverging to me is a good sign.
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@dafyre said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@dafyre said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Jason said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Minion-Queen said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Minion-Queen said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Yeah it is enough reason for me to not buy anything as well. However we went to Brother for printer a few years ago.
Remember there is a difference between HP and HPE though as @scottalanmiller has reminded us.
All Printers even LaserJet Pro is considered HP, not HPE though.
Yes, all of the issues are with HP. But He had been saying that he was going to question using HPE because of something that HP did.
@scottalanmiller : Do both companies have many of the same people on the board of directors?
Is that significant? Lots of companies share boards.
When HPE, which happens to have a large portion of its board also on HP's board, yes, I'd suggest that is significant, especially in light of the stunts being pulled by HP.
That their boards are diverging to me is a good sign.
But what's the significance? Two separate companies, two different approaches and policies. That there is overlapping members doesn't mean that they act the same in both cases. The companies are different, represent different investors and, most importantly, are driven by different management. The board does NOT manage the company (it cannot by law.) That's just an arbitrary reason to associate the two when they are different companies.
You made a few statements that I didn't follow...
- You said "When HPE, yes." What does that mean? Why is HPE itself the reason why HPE doesn't get to be its own company?
- You said "Especially in the light of the stunts being pulled by HP." What about this specific action ties HP to HPE in a way that it is not normally tied together? Other bad actions would not relate the two but this one would? Why?
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@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@dafyre said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@dafyre said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Jason said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Minion-Queen said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Minion-Queen said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Yeah it is enough reason for me to not buy anything as well. However we went to Brother for printer a few years ago.
Remember there is a difference between HP and HPE though as @scottalanmiller has reminded us.
All Printers even LaserJet Pro is considered HP, not HPE though.
Yes, all of the issues are with HP. But He had been saying that he was going to question using HPE because of something that HP did.
@scottalanmiller : Do both companies have many of the same people on the board of directors?
Is that significant? Lots of companies share boards.
When HPE, which happens to have a large portion of its board also on HP's board, yes, I'd suggest that is significant, especially in light of the stunts being pulled by HP.
That their boards are diverging to me is a good sign.
But what's the significance? Two separate companies, two different approaches and policies. That there is overlapping members doesn't mean that they act the same in both cases. The companies are different, represent different investors and, most importantly, are driven by different management. The board does NOT manage the company (it cannot by law.) That's just an arbitrary reason to associate the two when they are different companies.
You have cleared up at least one misconception I had. I did not expect the board of directors to not actually be the top of the food chain at either company. This fact pretty much shuts down my argument, which goes deeper into the anals of each company.
You made a few statements that I didn't follow...
- You said "When HPE, yes." What does that mean? Why is HPE itself the reason why HPE doesn't get to be its own company?
This is one of the misconceptions I had. But I see the same (or largely the same) board of directors, I assume similar motives and similar actions given similar scenarios, regardless of who the investors are.
- You said "Especially in the light of the stunts being pulled by HP." What about this specific action ties HP to HPE in a way that it is not normally tied together? Other bad actions would not relate the two but this one would? Why?
It does't tie them together in a way that they are not normally tied together. Not in my mind, and not while they still share the same board of directors. Even understanding now, that the boards don't do any management of either business.
Excluding the board, how much of the top brass is shared across HP and HPE? If they're 99% different, then my concerns are not valid. If they're 99% the same, then my issue remains.
What is the function of the board if not to hold sway over the direction of the company, or to provide guidance to the company's leadership?
[If any of these questions warrants a fork, feel free]
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@dafyre said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@dafyre said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@dafyre said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@scottalanmiller said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Jason said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Minion-Queen said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
@Minion-Queen said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
Yeah it is enough reason for me to not buy anything as well. However we went to Brother for printer a few years ago.
Remember there is a difference between HP and HPE though as @scottalanmiller has reminded us.
All Printers even LaserJet Pro is considered HP, not HPE though.
Yes, all of the issues are with HP. But He had been saying that he was going to question using HPE because of something that HP did.
@scottalanmiller : Do both companies have many of the same people on the board of directors?
Is that significant? Lots of companies share boards.
When HPE, which happens to have a large portion of its board also on HP's board, yes, I'd suggest that is significant, especially in light of the stunts being pulled by HP.
That their boards are diverging to me is a good sign.
But what's the significance? Two separate companies, two different approaches and policies. That there is overlapping members doesn't mean that they act the same in both cases. The companies are different, represent different investors and, most importantly, are driven by different management. The board does NOT manage the company (it cannot by law.) That's just an arbitrary reason to associate the two when they are different companies.
You have cleared up at least one misconception I had. I did not expect the board of directors to not actually be the top of the food chain at either company. This fact pretty much shuts down my argument, which goes deeper into the anals of each company.
It's not that it isn't the top of the food chain, it's that it is a different role. Basically in a class C it works like this...
Investors are the top -> Board represents the investors -> CEO and Executives run the company
If you are worried about the control of the company and how it acts. that's the executives, they make the calls as to the management and running of the business. The board selects the executives on behalf of the investors, think of the board as elected representatives - but ones that can't manipulate the vote so they are truly a reflection of the share holders' desires (the shareholders can remove them anytime.) So how the investors want the board to act and what the board selects as executive traits drive the business.
So if you are concerned about the ownership - it's the investors that you have to worry about. If it is the actions of the business, it is the executives. Following the board tells you very little as they are not the owners nor are they able to take action.
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@dafyre said in Firmware update for HP printers bans third-party ink:
which goes deeper into the anals of each company.
Why are you all up in their ass?
