Any Meraki wireless experts out there?
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And don't look at three year pricing, you normally assume five to ten years on APs. The Merakis will continue to escalate in price while Prosafe and Ubiquiti remain free to own until they die.
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Let's go Meraki MR12 versus Ubiquiti's base model.
Base price:
Meraki $400
Ubiquiti $90Price for Five Years License:
Meraki: $450
Ubiquiti: FreeFull Price After Five Years:
Meraki: $850
Ubiquiti: $90That is nearly 1,000% more for the Meraki over just part of its lifespan!!
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Additionally, there is the UniFi AP Pro that has 5ghz as well as the new Model that support 802.11ac. The UniFi AP is not $90 either. A three pack box of them is $180 (I think) while I generally see the UAP (base model) for $70.
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@scottalanmiller said:
What price are you getting on Netgear ProSafe? Here it is cheaper to acquire and free after you buy it. I've never seen Prosafe come to a fraction of the Meraki costs.
http://www.uk.insight.com/en-gb/productinfo/wireless-networking/0003120178-00000001
Insight generally offer the lowest price here.@scottalanmiller said:
But if you really want value, Ubiquiti is the obvious answer. Lower than ProSafe in price, higher in quality and performance.
Sounds good. The big suppliers here in the UK don't appear to sell Ubiquiti. I'm not sure how popular it is here. I know nothing about them. How do you manage them? Do you not need any controller? Is the base model a similar spec and quality to an MR12?
@scottalanmiller said:
you normally assume five to ten years on APs
Ten years? Really? It seems to be that there's too much development in wireless to last ten years. I'm expecting much faster transfer rates in 5 years time, never mind 10.
Anyway, the purpose of my thread wasn't to ask 'should I buy Meraki or something else', it was to get help spec'ing out the correct Meraki solution.
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I'm going to get Netgear. You guys have killed my Meraki buzz
My questions are still applicable though.....
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I'm going to get Netgear. You guys have killed my Meraki buzz
My questions are still applicable though.....
Why Netgear and not Ubiquiti? I used to use Prosafe but with Ubiquiti available now, I can't think of any scenario where I would choose Prosafe wireless.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@scottalanmiller said:
you normally assume five to ten years on APs
Ten years? Really? It seems to be that there's too much development in wireless to last ten years. I'm expecting much faster transfer rates in 5 years time, never mind 10.
Really? Wireless from ten years ago still works well today and the pace of improvement is slowing rapidly. The only new advancement recently is AC and pretty much no one has a reason to even look at that for the next several years. Ten years seems really reasonable from wireless based on the last ten years.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Sounds good. The big suppliers here in the UK don't appear to sell Ubiquiti. I'm not sure how popular it is here. I know nothing about them. How do you manage them? Do you not need any controller? Is the base model a similar spec and quality to an MR12?
The biggest vendor has it...
They are super popular, they are the market darling of the last few years. They do not advertise, though, they go by word of mouth. So when you talk to pros, the are the primary recommendation. If you look at resellers, you won't hear about them because they only sell through a few huge vendors (like Amazon) and there is effectively no profit margin - so any reseller will point you do Meraki, Negear, Cisco or others with huge payoffs to the resellers.
You manage them just like Meraki - only you host the console rather than using one hosted by Cisco. No, no controller needed (hardware) but you have to run the controller software (on any desktop.)
Base model is probably above the MR12.
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That Amazon link is just a link to an Amazon reseller based in Latvia. I am tempted, but installing them myself isn't really an option, so it might be a bit tricky going through a reseller I don't know. The resellers all seem pretty small to me, not that that is necessarily a problem.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
That Amazon link is just a link to an Amazon reseller based in Latvia. I am tempted, but installing them myself isn't really an option, so it might be a bit tricky going through a reseller I don't know. The resellers all seem pretty small to me, not that that is necessarily a problem.
Weird. I'm really surprised that there are not more outlets for acquiring them. Although even here I've never seen them through a VAR.
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In the US, they spread from the WISP (Wireless ISP) sector because gear for that market is where they started. Baltic Networks in northern Illinois carries a ton of their gear in stock all the time.
Very sorry to be such a buzz kill on the. Meraki products. I do like it, but it just does not work out for all the SMB I deal with.
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Yes. Meraki is very nice but the cost is just absurd.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Although even here I've never seen them through a VAR.
This is the problem. For a small SME it is very difficult to buy hardware that isn't from a VAR because you need someone to install the kit. I've done it plenty of times, partly because I'm a control freak and partly to save money, but it's not easy - you get the hardware from X and get the install from Y. If you're not careful, it can result in everyone being unsatisfied. It's great when it works out and a nightmare when it goes wrong.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Although even here I've never seen them through a VAR.
This is the problem. For a small SME it is very difficult to buy hardware that isn't from a VAR because you need someone to install the kit. I've done it plenty of times, partly because I'm a control freak and partly to save money, but it's not easy - you get the hardware from X and get the install from Y. If you're not careful, it can result in everyone being unsatisfied. It's great when it works out and a nightmare when it goes wrong.
Why do you need an installation for APs? What work are you wanting the VAR to do for you?
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Attaching them to the ceiling, cabling etc etc. I can handle most things software, but stay clear of hardware.
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NTG does installs of Ubiquiti because we recommend it often. But get the products through a third party. It's super simple to install. I do my own install at home.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Attaching them to the ceiling, cabling etc etc. I can handle most things software, but stay clear of hardware.
Oh. Why not just have any electrician or handyman do that? Those aren't services a VAR would necessarily do as they aren't really related to the product.
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I have a builder and an electrician,, but neither will lay Cat5 cables. Especially 1oo feet in the air along steel girders. And they wouldn't know exactly where the best place to install them is, and neither do I. And they'd charge almost as much as the VAR anyway. I don't see the point just to save a few hundred dollars. It's false economy.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I have a builder and an electrician,, but neither will lay Cat5 cables. Especially 1oo feet in the air along steel girders. And they wouldn't know exactly where the best place to install them is, and neither do I. And they'd charge almost as much as the VAR anyway. I don't see the point just to save a few hundred dollars. It's false economy.
Your electrician won't do basic electrical work? Why do you use him? In the US you'd be in a legal mess using a VAR instead of an electrician for building electrical wiring.
What makes you feel that a VAR will be a better electrician than your electrician?
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It must be different over there. Here as a VAR it is illegal to do that portion of the work unless the VAR owned a certified electrician and then the VAR is just an umbrella for selling electrical contracting.
In the US a Meraki or Ubiquiti VAR would not do wiring and cabling (they might subcontract an electrician like we do) but the VA portion would be in configuring the software for you.
