Struggling to Understand Kernel and OS Separation
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@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
Linux is not an Operating system? Well tell these guys, they must be stupid.
https://opensource.com/resources/what-is-linux
and these guys too and they are linux.com lol.
https://www.linux.com/what-is-linux
and change this damn Wiki Page
Stupid is a bit strong. Mistaken, certainly. If you think they are right, go ahead and produce this Linux OS that they speak of. Because there isn't one.
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@cnewman getting confused about Linux is a super common newbie mistake. Pretty much everyone coming to the Linux world makes this mistake when they first get there. Coming from Windows where we use the term "Windows" and Windows is the OS itself, it's really easy to do the same thing when moving over to Linux. But Linux is obviously a kernel, not an OS. There is no Linux that you can get and install and use. You have to build an OS on top of it.
Welcome to the community and to Linux! The Linux OS family is awesome and amazing and there is so much that you can do with it.
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SAM you yourself said it's an "Out of the box working FTP server" yes?
So does a Kernel do that or an OS? I'm confused?
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I'd expect you'd correct the 3 references ASAP that I mentioned or I'll refer this thread to their attention that you are calling them ignorant. -
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SAM you have so many like but you're so stupid at times.. WTF is wrong with you, are rewriting history?
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@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
SAM you yourself said it's an "Out of the box working FTP server" yes?
So does a Kernel do that or an OS? I'm confused?
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I'd expect you'd correct the 3 references ASAP that I mentioned or I'll refer this thread to their attention that you are calling them ignorant.While even linux.com calls Linux an OS, it also clarifies that the only piece that is really "Linux" is the kernel.
https://www.linux.com/what-is-linux
- The kernel: This is the one piece of the whole that is actually called “Linux”. The kernel is the core of the system and manages the CPU, memory, and peripheral devices. The kernel is the “lowest” level of the OS.
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Basically everyone commonly says Linux meaning the OS, but technically it is not.
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@JaredBusch
Then email the 3 references I posted and tell them it's not an OS and have them correct thier postings. -
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
Because Wiki is the certified source, here you go. This one directly supports @scottalanmiller's position.
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@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@JaredBusch
Then email the 3 references I posted and tell them it's not an OS and have them correct thier postings.Are you so intent on trolling that you missed the fact that I cited one of your links.
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I'm intent on you a SAM correcting the 3 Authors I quoted and let's see how that goes.
Usually SAM won't chime in at this point, I've asked you 2 to Directly Correct their Statements on the Kernel vs OS.
Please do so as I've asked
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@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
I'm intent on you a SAM correcting the 3 Authors I quoted and let's see how that goes.
Usually SAM won't chime in at this point, I've asked you 2 to Directly Correct their Statements on the Kernel vs OS.
Please do so as I've asked
Why should they?
Calling Linux an OS for yourself is fine as long as you keep in mind that Linux is just the kernel, not the userland. We could stress this even further if we add GNU to the equation.
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We have a troll in the house!
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@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
SAM you yourself said it's an "Out of the box working FTP server" yes?
So does a Kernel do that or an OS? I'm confused?
OS obviously. It's part of the OpenSSH package.
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@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
I'd expect you'd correct the 3 references ASAP that I mentioned or I'll refer this thread to their attention that you are calling them ignorant.
Why don't you correct them now that you understand why they are incorrect? Obviously they are dumbing things down for non-technical people. If you feel that they need to be correct, go correct them. If you think that they have any validity, have them correct all technical information in the world. If they are redefining what an OS is, they need to validate that.
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@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@JaredBusch
Then email the 3 references I posted and tell them it's not an OS and have them correct thier postings.If you haven't already, then you can't ask us to. DId you do so before posting here? If not, do so. Let us know their responses. Thanks.
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@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
I'm intent on you a SAM correcting the 3 Authors I quoted and let's see how that goes.
Usually SAM won't chime in at this point, I've asked you 2 to Directly Correct their Statements on the Kernel vs OS.
Please do so as I've asked
Do as I've asked as well. If not, I don't consider you to have made any request yet. And your one source is already correct, as Jared showed. So it is you that seem to be confused here. We've already corrected you, so our job is done. It's your job to question your sources further to find out why they are confused AND to find out why you yourself are using them.
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@Romo said in What is a Linux Distro:
We have a troll in the house!
Or just a very, very confused newbie that is finding this all too complex and can't identify real sources, dumbed down vs. technical material, etc.
This is the kind of response you get from someone who didn't really grasp the concept of sources, can't figure out whose job it is to notify someone of being incorrect, doesn't understand the technical parts of the conversation. This will be, almost certainly, someone who claims to have worked in IT for decades but doesn't have the knowledge you get from just taking a casual interest in it. Repairs a few computers in a little "office" for a couple of people and thinks that they work in IT. And confuses being "old" with having experience.
I've seen this exact behaviour on SW. That Curtis guy who claimed that the Internet was invented in 1998 and that he saw it done and remembered it because "he was in IT for so long" and ignored the fact that it was from the 1960s. He always makes these crazy claims and is so non-technical that he can't even figure out what a plausible lie would sound like. Like the responses here... he says that if his mistake isn't corrected in a certain way, that he must be right. Um, the illogic is strong in this one.
Go to Spiceworks and look up Curtis3363, best example of this type of troll I've ever seen. That guy is SO clueless, he has no idea that he's mocked in so many places. There was even a website a while ago dedicated to quoting him, it was hilarious. It's funny because even people with no knowledge of IT can see how idiotic his stuff was. It's a bit sad, but he's so mean that everyone gets over how sad it is and just finds it funny.
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@scottalanmiller I really do not think he is a newbie.
-First posts demanding you contact his 3 sources and make them change the definition
-Calling you SAM instead of tagging @scottalanmillerMy guess would be spiceworks fellow who doesnt quite like you.
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Long ago when Curtis3363 was new to SW, they knew that he wasn't an IT pro and didn't qualify to be in the community they asked me if I wanted his account blocked because he was a troll. But I said that he mostly just attacked me because I wouldn't pretend that he had a clue and act like it was okay to be that clueless. And he is constant entertainment. He like goes off his meds or something and just gets mean... but he's so dumb that he can't tell that he makes everyone laugh at him... it's unbelievable that he can't tell what's going on. But he's entertainment, so they've kept him around. He definitely is the laughingstock of the community (and several others.) And it is all of his own doing. What's amazing is that he can't tell that it is happening. But the same things that make him think that no one would be able to figure out when the Internet was created, I guess makes him not realize that everyone is laughing at him.
He's a great example of how trolls really only troll themselves. Really, they are kind of like the ultimate fanboys.
