I Would Fire Someone For....
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@tiagom They package seemingly any software with their devices. So much bloatware and it has historically had security vulnerabilities.
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@wirestyle22 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@tiagom They package seemingly any software with their devices. So much bloatware and it has historically had security vulnerabilities.
What are your reasons for choosing a server or notebook vendor? The installed bloatware or "valuable addons" like all the WLAN connection management crap? You are choosing a well-made device, the hardware, not the software. The preinstalled image is nothing more than a demo IMHO, and you shouldn't really use that for production.
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@thwr said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@wirestyle22 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@tiagom They package seemingly any software with their devices. So much bloatware and it has historically had security vulnerabilities.
What are your reasons for choosing a server or notebook vendor? The installed bloatware or "valuable addons" like all the WLAN connection management crap?
Most of those "valuable addons" can be downloaded from the web anyways. Why anyone would bother with 'oh I really need that new locky variant...
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@BBigford said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I would fire someone for...
...recommending Lenovo.
Sadly I'm willing to bet that tons of IT pros don't know about the Lenovo Superfish issue.
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@Dashrender Oh I recall it quite well... and agreed.
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@thwr said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@tiagom said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@BBigford said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I would fire someone for...
...recommending Lenovo.
Seen similar comments to this before, whats the deal with lenovo?
Some people don't like them, and IMHO there really was a large quality drop when IBM sold notebooks, servers and desktops to them. But on the other hand, IBM equipment used to be very good stuff. Still have a few 3550-M3 running (Xeon 55xx), rock solid. Not even fan failures or a broken power supply. So it isn't that worse (yet), but that's just my opinion.
I'd say that most Lenovo gear is physically pretty good! I have two Yoga laptops from them. The first was released a year before Superfish was discovered, and the second a few months before. Luckily the second didn't have the issues when I wiped and reloaded it, where the first one I had to replace the wifi card myself before wireless would work correctly (crappy Superfish drivers!)
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@alex.olynyk said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
That wasn't just consumer lines tho. I remember posting something over on SW about them changing a bunch of product categories to avoid the backlash of having bad things appear on them. A week later, they did the superfish announcement. Didn't even try to hide their lies!
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I am aware of the Lenovo Superfish issue and we don't use lenovo here. But when i get new equipment first thing i do is format and reinstall to get rid of all the crapware.
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@tiagom said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I am aware of the Lenovo Superfish issue and we don't use lenovo here. But when i get new equipment first thing i do is format and reinstall to get rid of all the crapware.
Superfish was BIOS level tho. Good luck getting rid of that.
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@thwr said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@wirestyle22 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@tiagom They package seemingly any software with their devices. So much bloatware and it has historically had security vulnerabilities.
What are your reasons for choosing a server or notebook vendor? The installed bloatware or "valuable addons" like all the WLAN connection management crap? You are choosing a well-made device, the hardware, not the software. The preinstalled image is nothing more than a demo IMHO, and you shouldn't really use that for production.
Sure, maybe I could give that to you, but in the case of Lenovo, they actually put in hardware keys in some laptops that prevented you from using the wifi vendor's generic driver. You had to use Lenovo's on crappy Superfish driver, so there was no way to get away from it.
And if Lenovo cares so little for its consumer customers, why do you think they care more about their business customers?
Sadly people don't care about these things, like their privacy, and don't hold their feet to the fire, and corporations have deals already in place they don't/won't walk away from... so the problem will likely never be solved.
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@travisdh1 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@tiagom said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I am aware of the Lenovo Superfish issue and we don't use lenovo here. But when i get new equipment first thing i do is format and reinstall to get rid of all the crapware.
Superfish was BIOS level tho. Good luck getting rid of that.
Superfish wasn't BIOS, their Lenovo support tool was. Superfish was in the Key'ed NIC and drivers.
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@travisdh1 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@tiagom said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I am aware of the Lenovo Superfish issue and we don't use lenovo here. But when i get new equipment first thing i do is format and reinstall to get rid of all the crapware.
Superfish was BIOS level tho. Good luck getting rid of that.
Superfish wasn't BIOS, their Lenovo support tool was. Superfish was in the Key'ed NIC and drivers.
Just goes to prove why to stay away from Lenovo, I can't even keep all the bad stuff they've done straight in my head (which one is the actual problem, my head or Lenovo I'll leave to you all.)
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and now back to why an IT person should be fired.
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'd say that most Lenovo gear is physically pretty good! I have two Yoga laptops from them. The first was released a year before Superfish was discovered, and the second a few months before. Luckily the second didn't have the issues when I wiped and reloaded it, where the first one I had to replace the wifi card myself before wireless would work correctly (crappy Superfish drivers!)
Do you remember the good old T40/T41 Thinkpad? Hell of a machine. One day there was nearly unseeable black ice outside of my office and it was dark, very dark... Stumbled, slipped and fallen exactly on the edge of the notebook, which touched the ground first. I'm not exactly a 90 pound supermodel, but there was just a very tiny crack in the casing. The machine lasted a few more years without any issues.
Lenovo does not have this quality anymore, but yes, they are still good. Got a few Yoga's too, really like them.
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@thwr said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I'd say that most Lenovo gear is physically pretty good! I have two Yoga laptops from them. The first was released a year before Superfish was discovered, and the second a few months before. Luckily the second didn't have the issues when I wiped and reloaded it, where the first one I had to replace the wifi card myself before wireless would work correctly (crappy Superfish drivers!)
Do you remember the good old T40/T41 Thinkpad? Hell of a machine. One day there was nearly unseeable black ice outside of my office and it was dark, very dark... Stumbled, slipped and fallen exactly on the edge of the notebook, which touched the ground first. I'm not exactly a 90 pound supermodel, but there was just a very tiny crack in the casing. The machine lasted a few more years without any issues.
Lenovo does not have this quality anymore, but yes, they are still good. Got a few Yoga's too, really like them.
Yeah, nobody makes the same class of hardware. Which is why the company sucking things up so badly is really quite sad.
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I wonder if that quality isn't there because in reality people don't care.
I get asked all the time, what computer should I buy? Let's walk away from the Chromebooks for this conversation -
I tell them that there are two schools of though (at least for me). Drop $800-1000+ and expect to use it for around 5 years, perhaps more. Or drop $300 and expect to replace it every 2-3 years.
Spending less today gets most people a completely usable machine, not lighting fast, but more than usable. and when the cheap components break in 2-3 years, just toss it and get another, which by the way, will be 100%+ faster than what they had during the first purchase.
You toss in the time value of money discussion, and going this route for most people is hard to pass up, if you really put your thinking cap on.
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@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I wonder if that quality isn't there because in reality people don't care.
I get asked all the time, what computer should I buy? Let's walk away from the Chromebooks for this conversation -
I tell them that there are two schools of though (at least for me). Drop $800-1000+ and expect to use it for around 5 years, perhaps more. Or drop $300 and expect to replace it every 2-3 years.
Spending less today gets most people a completely usable machine, not lighting fast, but more than usable. and when the cheap components break in 2-3 years, just toss it and get another, which by the way, will be 100%+ faster than what they had during the first purchase.
You toss in the time value of money discussion, and going this route for most people is hard to pass up, if you really put your thinking cap on.
The only offset to that I would say is if you want to use it for something more in the future you can't without upgrading it, if you can.
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@DustinB3403 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
@Dashrender said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
I wonder if that quality isn't there because in reality people don't care.
I get asked all the time, what computer should I buy? Let's walk away from the Chromebooks for this conversation -
I tell them that there are two schools of though (at least for me). Drop $800-1000+ and expect to use it for around 5 years, perhaps more. Or drop $300 and expect to replace it every 2-3 years.
Spending less today gets most people a completely usable machine, not lighting fast, but more than usable. and when the cheap components break in 2-3 years, just toss it and get another, which by the way, will be 100%+ faster than what they had during the first purchase.
You toss in the time value of money discussion, and going this route for most people is hard to pass up, if you really put your thinking cap on.
The only offset to that I would say is if you want to use it for something more in the future you can't without upgrading it, if you can.
Isn't Scott always telling us to NOT buy for the future - you just don't know what it holds. Now if you know for a "fact" that something will be happening in the very near future, that's different, and you should of course buy with that in mind.. but I'm talking consumer users here. Most of them have no idea what they will be doing in a few days, let alone a few months with their computer, so I wouldn't worry about that.
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Buying hardware that can be upgraded is different than buying hardware that might run everything in the future.
Adding ram for example is a very simple thing that can add an additional 2-3 years usefulness to the device.
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@DustinB3403 said in I Would Fire Someone For....:
Buying hardware that can be upgraded is different than buying hardware that might run everything in the future.
Adding ram for example is a very simple thing that can add an additional 2-3 years usefulness to the device.
Sure, but at what expense? Now, in these cheap laptops, it seems pretty common that you can upgrade the HD and the RAM, and generally pretty easily today.
But what if that wasn't the case? What if you had to buy a $400 (instead of $300) computer to have that future expand ability? is that worth is?
