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@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller I knew about that, which is why I was confused that "launching from the Dust Bowl" being an event in history.
I didn't say it was history... I was suggesting it might be a good idea to launch a nuclear powered space ship from there. Geography is not one of my strong suits, lol.
I know you didn't say that, but my knowledge of "Dust Bowl" is "an event in history" so I as confused as to why you used it as a location.
I've heard it used as a location only in reference to the "Dust Bowl states" I think that's what @dafyre was going for.
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller I knew about that, which is why I was confused that "launching from the Dust Bowl" being an event in history.
I didn't say it was history... I was suggesting it might be a good idea to launch a nuclear powered space ship from there. Geography is not one of my strong suits, lol.
I know you didn't say that, but my knowledge of "Dust Bowl" is "an event in history" so I as confused as to why you used it as a location.
I've heard it used as a location only in reference to the "Dust Bowl states" I think that's what @dafyre was going for.
^ That.
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@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller I knew about that, which is why I was confused that "launching from the Dust Bowl" being an event in history.
I didn't say it was history... I was suggesting it might be a good idea to launch a nuclear powered space ship from there. Geography is not one of my strong suits, lol.
The dust bowl area is populated farm land, not a dusty area today though
It was only dusty until 1940 from a combination of bad farming and a drought. It was the secondary trigger of the Great Depression - the stock market crashed in 1929 and more or less simultaneously the American midwest faced an epic drought that caused US food production to completely collapse so food prices skyrocketed while incomes and jobs disappeared. It left something like 20% of American farmers without working farms and those that remained with very little food production. -
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller I knew about that, which is why I was confused that "launching from the Dust Bowl" being an event in history.
I didn't say it was history... I was suggesting it might be a good idea to launch a nuclear powered space ship from there. Geography is not one of my strong suits, lol.
The dust bowl area is populated farm land, not a dusty area today though
It was only dusty until 1940 from a combination of bad farming and a drought. It was the secondary trigger of the Great Depression - the stock market crashed in 1929 and more or less simultaneously the American midwest faced an epic drought that caused US food production to completely collapse so food prices skyrocketed while incomes and jobs disappeared. It left something like 20% of American farmers without working farms and those that remained with very little food production.Does this guy know how to party or what?!
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller I knew about that, which is why I was confused that "launching from the Dust Bowl" being an event in history.
I didn't say it was history... I was suggesting it might be a good idea to launch a nuclear powered space ship from there. Geography is not one of my strong suits, lol.
I know you didn't say that, but my knowledge of "Dust Bowl" is "an event in history" so I as confused as to why you used it as a location.
I've heard it used as a location only in reference to the "Dust Bowl states" I think that's what @dafyre was going for.
Wouldn't the unpopulated desert area be more useful than America's prime farmland, though? Farmland isn't heavily populated, but it is populated. Our desert is basically empty.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller I knew about that, which is why I was confused that "launching from the Dust Bowl" being an event in history.
I didn't say it was history... I was suggesting it might be a good idea to launch a nuclear powered space ship from there. Geography is not one of my strong suits, lol.
I know you didn't say that, but my knowledge of "Dust Bowl" is "an event in history" so I as confused as to why you used it as a location.
I've heard it used as a location only in reference to the "Dust Bowl states" I think that's what @dafyre was going for.
Wouldn't the unpopulated desert area be more useful than America's prime farmland, though? Farmland isn't heavily populated, but it is populated. Our desert is basically empty.
And the ocean is empty completely, aside from Kevin Costner and those damn Smokers.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller I knew about that, which is why I was confused that "launching from the Dust Bowl" being an event in history.
I didn't say it was history... I was suggesting it might be a good idea to launch a nuclear powered space ship from there. Geography is not one of my strong suits, lol.
I know you didn't say that, but my knowledge of "Dust Bowl" is "an event in history" so I as confused as to why you used it as a location.
I've heard it used as a location only in reference to the "Dust Bowl states" I think that's what @dafyre was going for.
Wouldn't the unpopulated desert area be more useful than America's prime farmland, though? Farmland isn't heavily populated, but it is populated. Our desert is basically empty.
Agreed, I feel like the salt flats in Utah or the desert in Nevada/New Mexico would be a much better place then the dust bowl states.
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller I knew about that, which is why I was confused that "launching from the Dust Bowl" being an event in history.
I didn't say it was history... I was suggesting it might be a good idea to launch a nuclear powered space ship from there. Geography is not one of my strong suits, lol.
I know you didn't say that, but my knowledge of "Dust Bowl" is "an event in history" so I as confused as to why you used it as a location.
I've heard it used as a location only in reference to the "Dust Bowl states" I think that's what @dafyre was going for.
Wouldn't the unpopulated desert area be more useful than America's prime farmland, though? Farmland isn't heavily populated, but it is populated. Our desert is basically empty.
Agreed, I feel like the salt flats in Utah or the desert in Nevada/New Mexico would be a much better place then the dust bowl states.
The best place is closer to the equator, the more north you go, the worse it is for launching. There's less people in parts of Siberia, but Russia launches from Kazakhstan primarily because it's further south.
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@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller I knew about that, which is why I was confused that "launching from the Dust Bowl" being an event in history.
I didn't say it was history... I was suggesting it might be a good idea to launch a nuclear powered space ship from there. Geography is not one of my strong suits, lol.
I know you didn't say that, but my knowledge of "Dust Bowl" is "an event in history" so I as confused as to why you used it as a location.
I've heard it used as a location only in reference to the "Dust Bowl states" I think that's what @dafyre was going for.
Wouldn't the unpopulated desert area be more useful than America's prime farmland, though? Farmland isn't heavily populated, but it is populated. Our desert is basically empty.
And the ocean is empty completely, aside from Kevin Costner and those damn Smokers.
Yep, I think Cape Canaveral is probably one of the best spots for it. That or a small island in the Caribbean or Pacific. Although getting the supplies and rockets there would be a chore.
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@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller I knew about that, which is why I was confused that "launching from the Dust Bowl" being an event in history.
I didn't say it was history... I was suggesting it might be a good idea to launch a nuclear powered space ship from there. Geography is not one of my strong suits, lol.
I know you didn't say that, but my knowledge of "Dust Bowl" is "an event in history" so I as confused as to why you used it as a location.
I've heard it used as a location only in reference to the "Dust Bowl states" I think that's what @dafyre was going for.
Wouldn't the unpopulated desert area be more useful than America's prime farmland, though? Farmland isn't heavily populated, but it is populated. Our desert is basically empty.
Agreed, I feel like the salt flats in Utah or the desert in Nevada/New Mexico would be a much better place then the dust bowl states.
The best place is closer to the equator, the more north you go, the worse it is for launching. There's less people in parts of Siberia, but Russia launches from Kazakhstan primarily because it's further south.
Yeah, because at the equator the spinning is so fast that the ships practically just fly off of the surface on their own!
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller I knew about that, which is why I was confused that "launching from the Dust Bowl" being an event in history.
I didn't say it was history... I was suggesting it might be a good idea to launch a nuclear powered space ship from there. Geography is not one of my strong suits, lol.
I know you didn't say that, but my knowledge of "Dust Bowl" is "an event in history" so I as confused as to why you used it as a location.
I've heard it used as a location only in reference to the "Dust Bowl states" I think that's what @dafyre was going for.
Wouldn't the unpopulated desert area be more useful than America's prime farmland, though? Farmland isn't heavily populated, but it is populated. Our desert is basically empty.
And the ocean is empty completely, aside from Kevin Costner and those damn Smokers.
Yep, I think Cape Canaveral is probably one of the best spots for it. That or a small island in the Caribbean or Pacific. Although getting the supplies and rockets there would be a chore.
EU launches from the islands.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller I knew about that, which is why I was confused that "launching from the Dust Bowl" being an event in history.
I didn't say it was history... I was suggesting it might be a good idea to launch a nuclear powered space ship from there. Geography is not one of my strong suits, lol.
I know you didn't say that, but my knowledge of "Dust Bowl" is "an event in history" so I as confused as to why you used it as a location.
I've heard it used as a location only in reference to the "Dust Bowl states" I think that's what @dafyre was going for.
Wouldn't the unpopulated desert area be more useful than America's prime farmland, though? Farmland isn't heavily populated, but it is populated. Our desert is basically empty.
And the ocean is empty completely, aside from Kevin Costner and those damn Smokers.
Yep, I think Cape Canaveral is probably one of the best spots for it. That or a small island in the Caribbean or Pacific. Although getting the supplies and rockets there would be a chore.
EU launches from the islands.
Yeah, but they're so smug.
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@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller I knew about that, which is why I was confused that "launching from the Dust Bowl" being an event in history.
I didn't say it was history... I was suggesting it might be a good idea to launch a nuclear powered space ship from there. Geography is not one of my strong suits, lol.
I know you didn't say that, but my knowledge of "Dust Bowl" is "an event in history" so I as confused as to why you used it as a location.
I've heard it used as a location only in reference to the "Dust Bowl states" I think that's what @dafyre was going for.
Wouldn't the unpopulated desert area be more useful than America's prime farmland, though? Farmland isn't heavily populated, but it is populated. Our desert is basically empty.
Agreed, I feel like the salt flats in Utah or the desert in Nevada/New Mexico would be a much better place then the dust bowl states.
The best place is closer to the equator, the more north you go, the worse it is for launching. There's less people in parts of Siberia, but Russia launches from Kazakhstan primarily because it's further south.
Yep, linear velocity is much faster the closer you get to the equator right?
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller I knew about that, which is why I was confused that "launching from the Dust Bowl" being an event in history.
I didn't say it was history... I was suggesting it might be a good idea to launch a nuclear powered space ship from there. Geography is not one of my strong suits, lol.
I know you didn't say that, but my knowledge of "Dust Bowl" is "an event in history" so I as confused as to why you used it as a location.
I've heard it used as a location only in reference to the "Dust Bowl states" I think that's what @dafyre was going for.
Wouldn't the unpopulated desert area be more useful than America's prime farmland, though? Farmland isn't heavily populated, but it is populated. Our desert is basically empty.
Agreed, I feel like the salt flats in Utah or the desert in Nevada/New Mexico would be a much better place then the dust bowl states.
The best place is closer to the equator, the more north you go, the worse it is for launching. There's less people in parts of Siberia, but Russia launches from Kazakhstan primarily because it's further south.
Yep, linear velocity is much faster the closer you get to the equator right?
The angular velocity of the Earth's rotation helps with the rocket's linear velocity caused by the rocket engine itself, and it's best directly at the equator though yes, you get an added boost.
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@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
While rare, a nuclear explosion anywhere would be a catastrophe, though you do raise a good point about the system not having as much radioactive materials as a nuclear power plant...
Say what? Do you have any actual understanding of radiation facts? This statement right here is exactly why we are not allowed to use nuclear in space.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@dafyre said in Non-IT News Thread:
While rare, a nuclear explosion anywhere would be a catastrophe, though you do raise a good point about the system not having as much radioactive materials as a nuclear power plant...
Say what? Do you have any actual understanding of radiation facts? This statement right here is exactly why we are not allowed to use nuclear in space
Elon Musk is trying to change that. He wants to nuke Mars to make it habitable (more or less). I always find it interesting when an incredibly brilliant person proposes something that seems insane to every day people.
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@tonyshowoff said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
Falcon Heavy
Which only goes into low Earth orbit, my point is the ideas of going to the Moon or Mars with single stage are pretty much out of the question.
The Falcon Heavy can lift to GTO and is planned to launch RedDragon to Mars in 2018.
We could get to the Moon or Mars a lot faster, cheaper, and more efficiently, but nuclear energy is considered so boogyman that we literally ignore it as even an option. I see people online, in documentaries, etc always talking about "but chemical rockets don't go that fast!" but never mention nuclear rockets. It's not magic, it's not the Hutchinson Effect or something, it exists and it's ignored, and I imagine once someone like Musk discovers it, he'll bring it back and say "see what I invented" and get all the credit. And, believe it or not, I'm 100% fine with that since state owned space industries are too stupid to take advantage of a technology they were going to use before most people on this web site were even born.
Lest we forget all the ships and nuclear sub marines.... guess that was too dangerous to do too, oh wait.
This is all 100% completely something I agree with, but I completely ignore it because the entire StarWars armed nuclear missiles in orbit scare of the 80's pretty much negated realistic nuclear in space.
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They do use nuclear rockets and batteries, just very small ones on probes and such.
I cant remember the name of the stories, but it is definitely in the Science Fiction Hall of Fame anthology (i have all 6 of em, theyre great) where many of the stories involve nuclear rockets because the authors all thought that's how we would get around in near future. too bad we arent, due to fearmongering and ignorance.
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@momurda said in Non-IT News Thread:
They do use nuclear rockets and batteries, just very small ones on probes and such.
I cant remember the name of the stories, but it is definitely in the Science Fiction Hall of Fame anthology (i have all 6 of em, theyre great) where many of the stories involve nuclear rockets because the authors all thought that's how we would get around in near future. too bad we arent, due to fearmongering and ignorance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_propulsionThe SciShow had a good article on why nuclear propulsion wasn't practical.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
This is all 100% completely something I agree with, but I completely ignore it because the entire StarWars armed nuclear missiles in orbit scare of the 80's pretty much negated realistic nuclear in space.
Nuclear in space is pretty decent. It's getting nuclear into space that is the problem. High orbit nuclear is pretty disastrous.
