Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Also while the modern hydroponics system is being setup / growing you could supplement the food of the region with roof top gardens.
Which are well behind your fortified area.
That's slower still. You'd be living off of the hydroponics before that roof top food was available. It's getting through till the farming takes off that is the problem.
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Also while the modern hydroponics system is being setup / growing you could supplement the food of the region with roof top gardens.
Which are well behind your fortified area.
That's slower still. You'd be living off of the hydroponics before that roof top food was available. It's getting through till the farming takes off that is the problem.
It might be, but if you're working on getting power / fortifications in place, you'd want the users to be useful. They can move dirt and make a basic roof top garden that would support the region.
Also there are about 6 million walmarts in every direction.
Not to mention the countless farms in almost every region.
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@RojoLoco said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
You missed a strategy for food.
Good point, but it's really simple.
We'd use modern Hydroponics where we grow food using LED water troughs. Like here
Takes time, a lot of time. Long term it might work if you really know what you are doing and have agricultural engineers with you.
Hydroponic is a super easy way to grow if you have electricity and proper liquid nutrients.
you can do it without electricity pretty easily. you can substitute fish / aquaculture for the nutrient liquids if you really, really know what you are doing.
But yeah, access to the manufactured chemicals would be the killer. That would be harder to obtain than just normal food in that situation.
FYI... grew up on a farm, family has been farmers since before coming to the new world in 1635. I've visited and studied both of the NASA research hydroponic facilities, toured commercial hydroponics, done some study of hydroponics at Cornell (not as a student) and have read every major textbook on them on the market
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Also while the modern hydroponics system is being setup / growing you could supplement the food of the region with roof top gardens.
Which are well behind your fortified area.
That's slower still. You'd be living off of the hydroponics before that roof top food was available. It's getting through till the farming takes off that is the problem.
It might be, but if you're working on getting power / fortifications in place, you'd want the users to be useful. They can move dirt and make a basic roof top garden that would support the region.
Also there are about 6 million walmarts in every direction.
Not to mention the countless farms in almost every region.
Farms would be picked clean in no time and very dangerous. Walmarts would be empty on day one.
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Farms would be picked clean in no time and very dangerous. Walmarts would be empty on day one.
Walmarts would be, yes, but user vehicles / homes would be stocked full.
Also IT people would presumably have a large horde of supplies if something like this did occur.
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This is where you barter with Mennonite and Amish areas. You kill zombies in exchange for food/seeds, and training if you don't have it. They will need protection as many of them will not know or be willing to do much to protect themselves. And the Mennonites at least would be thrilled to teach.
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Farms would be picked clean in no time and very dangerous. Walmarts would be empty on day one.
Walmarts would be, yes, but user vehicles / homes would be stocked full.
Also IT people would presumably have a large horde of supplies if something like this did occur.
Your theory is dependent on a lot of assumptions that IT people will have unlimited access to food, unlimited access to transport and stockpiles, the ability to protect said caches before others come for them or zombies get you, etc. That's a lot of "this would solve all problems" as your underlying theory. Anyone who had reasonably unlimited access to water, food and security could just ride out the whole thing. Don't need to be IT people or even sentient at that point. If my cat had unlimited food, water and was in a secure facility it could outlive the zombies.
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The really smart IT people will just end it quickly. Who wants to live in the past and not have internet?
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@Minion-Queen makes a good point.
Many regions are very thinly spread out. So the chance of there being a huge zombie number in these regions would be low.
The Amish / Mennonite communities would likely even want to move in with the IT folk. A good mixture of brains and muscle - farm know-how would make for a great match.
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@Minion-Queen said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
This is where you barter with Mennonite and Amish areas. You kill zombies in exchange for food/seeds, and training if you don't have it. They will need protection as many of them will not know or be willing to do much to protect themselves. And the Mennonites at least would be thrilled to teach.
Assuming that they aren't infected. Seems like they'd be among the first to go. No weapons, no advanced warning, no communications between locations, no fast vehicles, etc. At least in the Amish areas.
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Your theory is dependent on a lot of assumptions that IT people will have unlimited access to food, unlimited access to transport and stockpiles, the ability to protect said caches before others come for them or zombies get you, etc. That's a lot of "this would solve all problems" as your underlying theory. Anyone who had reasonably unlimited access to water, food and security could just ride out the whole thing. Don't need to be IT people or even sentient at that point. If my cat had unlimited food, water and was in a secure facility it could outlive the zombies.
Now you're just being negative.
Of course there wouldn't be a boundless world of supplies etc or groups trying to take what I have.
That is where you have to have a community to be strong with / resolve any problems.
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@Minion-Queen makes a good point.
Many regions are very thinly spread out. So the chance of there being a huge zombie number in these regions would be low.
The Amish / Mennonite communities would likely even want to move in with the IT folk. A good mixture of brains and muscle - farm know-how would make for a great match.
Interesting assumption... that in the face of a zombie apocalypse that the Amish would abandon their religion and embrace the fundamental opposite. Valid, but an interesting route to go down.
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@Minion-Queen makes a good point.
Many regions are very thinly spread out. So the chance of there being a huge zombie number in these regions would be low.
The Amish / Mennonite communities would likely even want to move in with the IT folk. A good mixture of brains and muscle - farm know-how would make for a great match.
Interesting assumption... that in the face of a zombie apocalypse that the Amish would abandon their religion and embrace the fundamental opposite. Valid, but an interesting route to go down.
They wouldn't have to abandon their religion, but which is more important? religion or life? I'm certain sacrifices would be made.
"Living with technology" no matter how old / new it is would likely be one that is made quickly.
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Your theory is dependent on a lot of assumptions that IT people will have unlimited access to food, unlimited access to transport and stockpiles, the ability to protect said caches before others come for them or zombies get you, etc. That's a lot of "this would solve all problems" as your underlying theory. Anyone who had reasonably unlimited access to water, food and security could just ride out the whole thing. Don't need to be IT people or even sentient at that point. If my cat had unlimited food, water and was in a secure facility it could outlive the zombies.
Now you're just being negative.
Of course there wouldn't be a boundless world of supplies etc or groups trying to take what I have.
That is where you have to have a community to be strong with / resolve any problems.
but the larger the community, the larger the food problem. I'm just saying that your theory of survival depends on basic assumptions that all survival needs are already met. You are skipping the hard parts that everyone struggles to overcome and just ignores that getting food, water and protection would be hard. and the bigger the group the easier protection gets but the harder food and water get.
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@Minion-Queen makes a good point.
Many regions are very thinly spread out. So the chance of there being a huge zombie number in these regions would be low.
The Amish / Mennonite communities would likely even want to move in with the IT folk. A good mixture of brains and muscle - farm know-how would make for a great match.
Interesting assumption... that in the face of a zombie apocalypse that the Amish would abandon their religion and embrace the fundamental opposite. Valid, but an interesting route to go down.
They wouldn't have to abandon their religion, but which is more important? religion or life? I'm certain sacrifices would be made.
"Living with technology" no matter how old / new it is would likely be one that is made quickly.
The Amish religion does not allow them to use cars, guns, lights, hydroponics, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@Minion-Queen makes a good point.
Many regions are very thinly spread out. So the chance of there being a huge zombie number in these regions would be low.
The Amish / Mennonite communities would likely even want to move in with the IT folk. A good mixture of brains and muscle - farm know-how would make for a great match.
Interesting assumption... that in the face of a zombie apocalypse that the Amish would abandon their religion and embrace the fundamental opposite. Valid, but an interesting route to go down.
They wouldn't have to abandon their religion, but which is more important? religion or life? I'm certain sacrifices would be made.
"Living with technology" no matter how old / new it is would likely be one that is made quickly.
The Amish religion does not allow them to use cars, guns, lights, hydroponics, etc.
And they are very likely to choose to die rather than defend themselves. The Mennonites (at least a good portion of them) will defend themselves.
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Your theory is dependent on a lot of assumptions that IT people will have unlimited access to food, unlimited access to transport and stockpiles, the ability to protect said caches before others come for them or zombies get you, etc. That's a lot of "this would solve all problems" as your underlying theory. Anyone who had reasonably unlimited access to water, food and security could just ride out the whole thing. Don't need to be IT people or even sentient at that point. If my cat had unlimited food, water and was in a secure facility it could outlive the zombies.
Now you're just being negative.
Of course there wouldn't be a boundless world of supplies etc or groups trying to take what I have.
That is where you have to have a community to be strong with / resolve any problems.
but the larger the community, the larger the food problem. I'm just saying that your theory of survival depends on basic assumptions that all survival needs are already met. You are skipping the hard parts that everyone struggles to overcome and just ignores that getting food, water and protection would be hard. and the bigger the group the easier protection gets but the harder food and water get.
Valid point.
Lets for example take the prison scenario.
I'm drawing a blank on the name of the prison I just saw, but it had 25 foot concrete exterior walls. Without confirmation, you could assume the weak point is the entry gates.
So those would need to be fortified.
What that leaves you with is a large area to grow food / livestock.
Presumably you could dig a well on the grounds as well.
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There are a few IT people I know that are very much into the survivalist stuff. I grew up that way. I could teach someone how live off the land and be completely electric free etc. That's how I grew up. I HATE gutting animals and cleaning fish. But I do know how and would if I had to.
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Obviously you have prisoners to deal with.
Whom likely would cause trouble with all of the easily thought up issues.
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@Minion-Queen said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
There are a few IT people I know that are very much into the survivalist stuff. I grew up that way. I could teach someone how live off the land and be completely electric free etc. That's how I grew up. I HATE gutting animals and cleaning fish. But I do know how and would if I had to.
Which if you could trap animals or fish, you would presumably try to breed those animals for continues food stocks.
Be it cattle (a ton of resources) or whatever else.
In Rochester there are actually fish breeding stocks only 15 minutes from where I am today.
