Why is VMWare considered so often
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@Carnival-Boy said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
Yeah, "I'm familiar with". That's it.
What benefits do you get using XenServer over ESXi?
I get being salty and defending ESXi and that you use it because it's what you're familiar with. I'm asking for justification from you and others who use it as to why you wouldn't try XenServer?
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@Carnival-Boy said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
Yeah, "I'm familiar with". That's it.
What benefits do you get using XenServer over ESXi?
Well I find it slightly easier to deal with when anything needs to be done. When both "work" I find them roughly equal as far as ease of use.
XS has a rocking web interface that is expensive and less capable to get on ESXi. That's a big deal making things easier to deal with day to day.
XS comes with backup options built in, ESXi makes you get them from a third party and ESXi Free doesn't offer the same kinds of options no matter what.
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Some of us have found performance gains with XenServer, one bank got 20% higher density leaving VMware. That was big cost savings as they had multiple servers reduced.
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Just to be clear, I'm definitely not saying ESXi is better in anyway and I completely understand why ESXi users in their thousands are choosing to switch to XenServer. If life was a little bit longer, or if I had any interest in hypervisors, I'd probably do the same myself. I just don't think I'm crazy for sticking with ESXi for the time being.
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@scottalanmiller said
XS has a rocking web interface that is expensive and less capable to get on ESXi.
Does it have one native or are you talking about XenOrchestra?
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@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said
XS has a rocking web interface that is expensive and less capable to get on ESXi.
Does it have one native or are you talking about XenOrchestra?
XO. No native interface at all, just a robust API.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said
XS has a rocking web interface that is expensive and less capable to get on ESXi.
Does it have one native or are you talking about XenOrchestra?
XO. No native interface at all, just a robust API.
Man - this is where I'll disagree. I find the ESXi vshpere client way easier to use than XO. I know XO is in the process of a major UI upgrade, and I hope they bring things closer to the tree style menuing - just easier to get around IMO.
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@Dashrender said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Breffni-Potter said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said
XS has a rocking web interface that is expensive and less capable to get on ESXi.
Does it have one native or are you talking about XenOrchestra?
XO. No native interface at all, just a robust API.
Man - this is where I'll disagree. I find the ESXi vshpere client way easier to use than XO. I know XO is in the process of a major UI upgrade, and I hope they bring things closer to the tree style menuing - just easier to get around IMO.
XC is the "easy" one, XO is the good one. I think that ESXi lacks an XO quality interface.
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@scottalanmiller said
XC is the "easy" one, XO is the good one. I think that ESXi lacks an XO quality interface.
Yeah but it's not good. It's a metrofied horrible UI with no text labels. Icons for days.
I get the principle of the interface but the execution is awful if you want to get stuff done. It takes up way too much space on screen to do anything, the tool tips which are in XenCentre are gone from Xen Orchestra, all the stuff that people who live and breathe Xen take for granted is missing from a brand new admin.
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And don't get me started on the website.
Documentation exists in one place: https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/faq - What's the first thing people need with a new product? Give it to me in the email link they send, give it to me when I fill in the download form.
The reality is they are a new company, with a really good idea. But the tool on it's current form will end up turning away Hyper-v or VMWare admins, it's not that it's different, it's unhelpfully different. Different can be good.
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@Dashrender haha
I know you love trees, we'll probably create a dedicated view for this. But the new concept will be more centered on the filter/search thing in the home view, see https://xen-orchestra.com/blog/dev-report-2-on-xen-orchestra-5-0/ -
@Breffni-Potter I'm eager to hear things that you think really useful in UI as a VM admin, to improve XO
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@Breffni-Potter I have no idea of what you are talking about. The official doc is here: https://xen-orchestra.com/docs/
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I started with free ESXi just before 5 came out. I had very little experience with virtualization. My only real experience was with VirtualBox running a BESx server. I learned how to use it and since Hyper-V was very limited and I am the only guy here, I decided to deploy VMware on 3 hosts. I have had some headaches in the past (vSphere Storage Appliance) with them but I overall have had a good experience. My main complaint, other than cost, is the slow and clunky vSphere Web Client. The C# client is so much better.
I do want to dip my toe into XS but will wait until I have more time and they upgrade the UI, as someone has mentioned in an earlier post.
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@wrx7m said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
I started with free ESXi just before 5 came out. I had very little experience with virtualization. My only real experience was with VirtualBox running a BESx server. I learned how to use it and since Hyper-V was very limited and I am the only guy here, I decided to deploy VMware on 3 hosts. I have had some headaches in the past (vSphere Storage Appliance) with them but I overall have had a good experience. My main complaint, other than cost, is the slow and clunky vSphere Web Client. The C# client is so much better.
I do want to dip my toe into XS but will wait until I have more time and they upgrade the UI, as someone has mentioned in an earlier post.
The XenCenter interface is very similar to the VMware C# interface. Both in terms of looks and functionality.
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Let's say you want to migrate/convert your VMs from VMware to XS. How easy is that?
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@wrx7m said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
Let's say you want to migrate/convert your VMs from VMware to XS. How easy is that?
What do you use for a backup?
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@coliver Veeam - It is awesome
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@wrx7m said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
Let's say you want to migrate/convert your VMs from VMware to XS. How easy is that?
Pretty simple, you'd just V2V the VM or do an export to the open format.
Import the VM into XS and test.
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@wrx7m said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@coliver Veeam - It is awesome
Without being too off topic, could you list the top 5 things you like the most about VEEAM? This could give me ideas for XO
