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    • KellyK
      Kelly @DustinB3403
      last edited by Kelly

      @DustinB3403 said in Windows Server 2016:

      There is no lost value with SA, unless you never use it.

      Therein lies the purpose of my initial question regarding other people's usage of 2016.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @Kelly
        last edited by

        @Kelly said in Windows Server 2016:

        A further consideration is that two of my four licenses will be DCs. Upgrading them from 2012 R2 to 2016 is an unknown at this point.

        What makes them unknown?

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        • KellyK
          Kelly @Dashrender
          last edited by

          @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

          @Kelly said in Windows Server 2016:

          A further consideration is that two of my four licenses will be DCs. Upgrading them from 2012 R2 to 2016 is an unknown at this point.

          What makes them unknown?

          I don't know anyone that has upgraded a 2012 R2 DC to 2016.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @Kelly
            last edited by

            @Kelly said in Windows Server 2016:

            @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

            @Kelly said in Windows Server 2016:

            A further consideration is that two of my four licenses will be DCs. Upgrading them from 2012 R2 to 2016 is an unknown at this point.

            What makes them unknown?

            I don't know anyone that has upgraded a 2012 R2 DC to 2016.

            Why would you? it's not RTM yet.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender
              last edited by

              Do you really expect 2016 DC upgrades to be worse than previous ones?

              I've never had an issue installing new DCs into a 2000 or newer domain, then decomming old ones.

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              • KellyK
                Kelly @Dashrender
                last edited by

                @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                @Kelly said in Windows Server 2016:

                @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                @Kelly said in Windows Server 2016:

                A further consideration is that two of my four licenses will be DCs. Upgrading them from 2012 R2 to 2016 is an unknown at this point.

                What makes them unknown?

                I don't know anyone that has upgraded a 2012 R2 DC to 2016.

                Why would you? it's not RTM yet.

                Exactly. Hence it is an unknown. I'm not trying to be sarcastic here (mostly). I'm just not sure what you're getting at.

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                • KellyK
                  Kelly @Dashrender
                  last edited by

                  @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                  Do you really expect 2016 DC upgrades to be worse than previous ones?

                  I've never had an issue installing new DCs into a 2000 or newer domain, then decomming old ones.

                  I'll only have a total of four licenses (2 Standards). If I've used all of them on VMs will I be able to stand up a new DC and decom the old one?

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @Kelly
                    last edited by

                    @Kelly said in Windows Server 2016:

                    @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                    @Kelly said in Windows Server 2016:

                    @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                    @Kelly said in Windows Server 2016:

                    A further consideration is that two of my four licenses will be DCs. Upgrading them from 2012 R2 to 2016 is an unknown at this point.

                    What makes them unknown?

                    I don't know anyone that has upgraded a 2012 R2 DC to 2016.

                    Why would you? it's not RTM yet.

                    Exactly. Hence it is an unknown. I'm not trying to be sarcastic here (mostly). I'm just not sure what you're getting at.

                    Why would you want to stay with a 2-3 year old OS when a new one is right around the corner. heck, if you can wait, why not wait?

                    I don't expect 2016 to suddenly start having problems compared to 2012 or 2008, etc, so I'm not worried about that part of it.

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                    • MattSpellerM
                      MattSpeller
                      last edited by MattSpeller

                      Server '16? Early adopting microsoft stuff? 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

                      I wait for crazy people to do the beta testing for me then learn from their foibles.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @Kelly
                        last edited by

                        @Kelly said in Windows Server 2016:

                        @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                        Do you really expect 2016 DC upgrades to be worse than previous ones?

                        I've never had an issue installing new DCs into a 2000 or newer domain, then decomming old ones.

                        I'll only have a total of four licenses (2 Standards). If I've used all of them on VMs will I be able to stand up a new DC and decom the old one?

                        That's a great question - (oh and you actually only have two licenses, each allow 2 VMs) - I'm not sure of the legality of standing up a fifth VM, migrating, then decom'ing the old one... but I've done it, and I've know tons of people who have... again, I can't answer the legal question.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @MattSpeller
                          last edited by

                          @MattSpeller said in Windows Server 2016:

                          Server '16? Early adopting microsoft stuff? 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

                          I wait for crazy people to do the beta testing for me then learn from their foibles.

                          Unless there's a new kernel, if I recall correctly, @scottalanmiller would say this isn't really new.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                            last edited by

                            @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                            @MattSpeller said in Windows Server 2016:

                            Server '16? Early adopting microsoft stuff? 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

                            I wait for crazy people to do the beta testing for me then learn from their foibles.

                            Unless there's a new kernel, if I recall correctly, @scottalanmiller would say this isn't really new.

                            That's right. I'd not call the OS new, but the updates are new.

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                            • MattSpellerM
                              MattSpeller @scottalanmiller
                              last edited by

                              @scottalanmiller said in Windows Server 2016:

                              @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                              @MattSpeller said in Windows Server 2016:

                              Server '16? Early adopting microsoft stuff? 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

                              I wait for crazy people to do the beta testing for me then learn from their foibles.

                              Unless there's a new kernel, if I recall correctly, @scottalanmiller would say this isn't really new.

                              That's right. I'd not call the OS new, but the updates are new.

                              Both valid points, and I appreciate that it might not be "new" new, but I'd still hang back a bit. I have enough to fix around here without introducing new stuff to break 😛

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                              • Deleted74295D
                                Deleted74295 Banned @Kelly
                                last edited by

                                @Kelly said

                                I'll only have a total of four licenses (2 Standards). If I've used all of them on VMs will I be able to stand up a new DC and decom the old one?

                                Oh no one would ever do th...

                                @Dashrender said

                                but I've done it, and I've know tons of people who have...

                                I promise you @Dashrender is the only one who has done that. The rest of us are good and would not lie to you.

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                                • J
                                  Jason Banned @DustinB3403
                                  last edited by

                                  @DustinB3403 said in Windows Server 2016:

                                  Paying for SA is the only option that ever makes sense (when running windows).

                                  Not really, In the past releases have been so far apart that it made no sense to pay SA.

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                                    Jason Banned @Dashrender
                                    last edited by

                                    @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                                    @Kelly said in Windows Server 2016:

                                    @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                                    Do you really expect 2016 DC upgrades to be worse than previous ones?

                                    I've never had an issue installing new DCs into a 2000 or newer domain, then decomming old ones.

                                    I'll only have a total of four licenses (2 Standards). If I've used all of them on VMs will I be able to stand up a new DC and decom the old one?

                                    That's a great question - (oh and you actually only have two licenses, each allow 2 VMs) - I'm not sure of the legality of standing up a fifth VM, migrating, then decom'ing the old one... but I've done it, and I've know tons of people who have... again, I can't answer the legal question.

                                    Microsoft made no comment to us about this when we went through an Audit...

                                    Granted we are on Datacenter for all except a few hosts at remote sites. Our Datacenters use Windows Datacenter. so the might figure we pay them enough already..

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                                      Jason Banned @Kelly
                                      last edited by

                                      @Kelly said in Windows Server 2016:

                                      @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                                      @Kelly said in Windows Server 2016:

                                      A further consideration is that two of my four licenses will be DCs. Upgrading them from 2012 R2 to 2016 is an unknown at this point.

                                      What makes them unknown?

                                      I don't know anyone that has upgraded a 2012 R2 DC to 2016.

                                      You don't... Do not upgrad Domain Controllers. Replace them.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @Jason
                                        last edited by

                                        @Jason said in Windows Server 2016:

                                        @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                                        @Kelly said in Windows Server 2016:

                                        @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                                        Do you really expect 2016 DC upgrades to be worse than previous ones?

                                        I've never had an issue installing new DCs into a 2000 or newer domain, then decomming old ones.

                                        I'll only have a total of four licenses (2 Standards). If I've used all of them on VMs will I be able to stand up a new DC and decom the old one?

                                        That's a great question - (oh and you actually only have two licenses, each allow 2 VMs) - I'm not sure of the legality of standing up a fifth VM, migrating, then decom'ing the old one... but I've done it, and I've know tons of people who have... again, I can't answer the legal question.

                                        Microsoft made no comment to us about this when we went through an Audit...

                                        Granted we are on Datacenter for all except a few hosts at remote sites. Our Datacenters use Windows Datacenter. so the might figure we pay them enough already..

                                        Datacenter allows for unlimited VMs on the hardware that has the DC license on it. So those would be covered with no worry. The few remaining are the only ones to worry about.

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                                        • JaredBuschJ
                                          JaredBusch @Dashrender
                                          last edited by

                                          @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                                          @Jason said in Windows Server 2016:

                                          @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                                          @Kelly said in Windows Server 2016:

                                          @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                                          Do you really expect 2016 DC upgrades to be worse than previous ones?

                                          I've never had an issue installing new DCs into a 2000 or newer domain, then decomming old ones.

                                          I'll only have a total of four licenses (2 Standards). If I've used all of them on VMs will I be able to stand up a new DC and decom the old one?

                                          That's a great question - (oh and you actually only have two licenses, each allow 2 VMs) - I'm not sure of the legality of standing up a fifth VM, migrating, then decom'ing the old one... but I've done it, and I've know tons of people who have... again, I can't answer the legal question.

                                          Microsoft made no comment to us about this when we went through an Audit...

                                          Granted we are on Datacenter for all except a few hosts at remote sites. Our Datacenters use Windows Datacenter. so the might figure we pay them enough already..

                                          Datacenter allows for unlimited VMs on the hardware that has the DC license on it. So those would be covered with no worry. The few remaining are the only ones to worry about.

                                          Perspective please. @jason knows that.

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                                            Jason Banned @Dashrender
                                            last edited by

                                            @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                                            @Jason said in Windows Server 2016:

                                            @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                                            @Kelly said in Windows Server 2016:

                                            @Dashrender said in Windows Server 2016:

                                            Do you really expect 2016 DC upgrades to be worse than previous ones?

                                            I've never had an issue installing new DCs into a 2000 or newer domain, then decomming old ones.

                                            I'll only have a total of four licenses (2 Standards). If I've used all of them on VMs will I be able to stand up a new DC and decom the old one?

                                            That's a great question - (oh and you actually only have two licenses, each allow 2 VMs) - I'm not sure of the legality of standing up a fifth VM, migrating, then decom'ing the old one... but I've done it, and I've know tons of people who have... again, I can't answer the legal question.

                                            Microsoft made no comment to us about this when we went through an Audit...

                                            Granted we are on Datacenter for all except a few hosts at remote sites. Our Datacenters use Windows Datacenter. so the might figure we pay them enough already..

                                            Datacenter allows for unlimited VMs on the hardware that has the DC license on it. So those would be covered with no worry. The few remaining are the only ones to worry about.

                                            Yes, I know but those were over, temporarily during the audit as some where mid upgrade on those Hosts..

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