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What Citrix product are we talking about? Xenserver? It's been open source for many years now.
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@Jason said in Citrix paid support:
What Citrix product are we talking about? Xenserver? It's been open source for many years now.
yeah, that confused me too. XenServer itself has been OS for a while and is built on stuff that was always OS. So the discussion would only make sense about XA or XD, but does not appear to have been as XenMotion would only apply to XS.
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Yeah the conversation was about how he had to go back to work to continue work on a migration from xenserver (and xenmotion as a tool) to esxi.
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@DustinB3403 said in Citrix paid support:
Yeah the conversation was about how he had to go back to work to continue work on a migration from xenserver (and xenmotion as a tool) to esxi.
Even more money probably (just guessing of course) going into his pockets for this "error" with XM that only the IT consultant or operator could have ultimately caused.
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Another question, how is it that XA and XD aren't open source. Or are they, and just not commonly used?
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@DustinB3403 said in Citrix paid support:
Another question, how is it that XA and XD aren't open source. Or are they, and just not commonly used?
They are not. How would they be? They have no association or history with XS.
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I thought they were associated, they aren't?
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@DustinB3403 said in Citrix paid support:
I thought they were associated, they aren't?
Nope, XA is Citrix MetaFrame from the 1990s. Has nothing to do with virtualization at all.
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@scottalanmiller I didn't know that....
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Ah, are you thinking because of the name? When Citrix acquired the right to the name Xen, when the virtualization frenzy was at its peak, they wanted people to foolishly think that all kinds of things were virtualization that weren't (like cloud today) so they added the name Xen to all kinds of existing products that were totally not related to virtualization or Xen or XenServer in any way.
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it's been so long that I forgot that they did that and that people might still think that the Xen moniker referred to the Xen product when added to other products. XenApp and XenDesktop are just names, nothing more. Like JavaScript, meant to add confusion, but no association with java.
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I had made an assumption with the name that they were related to XS. I didn't know they weren't, but just adding xen to everything.
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@DustinB3403 said in Citrix paid support:
I had made an assumption wig the name that they were related to XS. I didn't know they weren't, but just adding xen to everything.
XenApp is the basis for Windows RDS.
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So Xenapp existed before RDS?
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When people say that they run Citrix, it has always meant MetaFrame, not virtualization. Citrix only claim to fame is in making the RDP and ICA protocols for remote Windows desktops. That was always their thing. That's why we were confused when that consultant said that he "ran Citrix." That phrase means XenApp (MetaFrame) in the same incorrect way that running VMware means vSphere. Both are incorrect uses, but everyone accepts that saying the company name of those two companies means their famous "only thing that they are known for" products. Or Novell with Netware.
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FYI don't mind my capitalization, using mobile.
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@DustinB3403 said in Citrix paid support:
So Xenapp existed before RDS?
Yes. MetaFrame was first, then Microsoft licensed part of it to make Terminal Server (TS.) MetaFrame got rebranded XenApp. TS got rebranded RDS.
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@scottalanmiller said in Citrix paid support:
@DustinB3403 said in Citrix paid support:
So Xenapp existed before RDS?
Yes. MetaFrame was first, then Microsoft licensed part of it to make Terminal Server (TS.) MetaFrame got rebranded XenApp. TS got rebranded RDS.
Thank you for that, I never knew that.
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Similarly, around the same time, Microsoft needed a database option so they paid for a license of Sybase. Over the years they rebranded and modified Sybase as SQL Server so the two have diverged a lot now. But originally they were the same product.
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This all stems from where Windows came from. When DOS was clearly dying, MS and IBM worked together to make OS/2. They parted ways, Microsoft renamed their OS/2 effort Windows NT, IBM kept the OS/2 name. They are very different now, but their first release was effectively identical.
