Axigen X Released
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@RojoLoco said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@RojoLoco said:
So, @aaronstuder , I take it you work for Axigen? I know the vendor badges here are voluntary, but it's kinda dickish to promote a product while pretending to not be a vendor....
He doesn't, I agree that it sounded that way, but I know that he doesn't work for them. He might be a customer, but not an employee.
His OP says "built on our unique mail server technology..." If he doesn't work for them, he's an unknowing shill (kinda worse in my book).
He's done that a few times before, it's odd so I took notice. He's copying their website or something and sometimes grabs pronouns or such that look weird if you don't know that he didn't write it himself.
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@aaronstuder said:
It's supported, which is a plus.
Do you mean on Windows? Because I'm not aware of any email product that we would discuss that isn't supported.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Point 2: We put a lot of effort to make Axigen run on the widest platform range. Choose what fits you — from Windows to many Linux flavors , BSD, or Solaris and feel free to switch anytime.
It's more than Linux and Windows and that's important because lots of people go after those two. Being officially supported on BSD and Solaris is really nice. I'm not going to say that it is a huge benefit, but it is a small one and a nice feature. I'd love to run my email on BSD or Solaris, rather than Linux, but that's pretty minor as long as it runs on CentOS. But that's me, I'm the .01% here. For nearly anyone, it is going to be Linux of some flavour. Because of the "non-open" nature, I'm sure that there is a solid Windows deploy base that open solutions do not have because they are going after the "we don't want open" market as well, which open products obviously cannot go after.
We do have large SPs that run on Solaris as well as BSD taking advantage of ZFS to the fullest.
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@axigen said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@axigen I'm sure I could look this up but while you are here... where in Europe are you based?
we are in Bucharest, Romania, here: https://www.axigen.com/about-us/contact/
That's what I was wondering and damn... you won't believe this.... I'll be there in a few hours. Packing for the flight literally as we speak. I leave at 5:30 am for Bucharest.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@axigen said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@axigen I'm sure I could look this up but while you are here... where in Europe are you based?
we are in Bucharest, Romania, here: https://www.axigen.com/about-us/contact/
That's what I was wondering and damn... you won't believe this.... I'll be there in a few hours. Packing for the flight literally as we speak. I leave at 5:30 am for Bucharest.
Would you like to meet tomorrow ;)?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@axigen said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@axigen I'm sure I could look this up but while you are here... where in Europe are you based?
we are in Bucharest, Romania, here: https://www.axigen.com/about-us/contact/
That's what I was wondering and damn... you won't believe this.... I'll be there in a few hours. Packing for the flight literally as we speak. I leave at 5:30 am for Bucharest.
Sounds liek @scottalanmiller should get to tour the Axigen facilities and see this product up front and in person.
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@axigen said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Point 2: We put a lot of effort to make Axigen run on the widest platform range. Choose what fits you — from Windows to many Linux flavors , BSD, or Solaris and feel free to switch anytime.
It's more than Linux and Windows and that's important because lots of people go after those two. Being officially supported on BSD and Solaris is really nice. I'm not going to say that it is a huge benefit, but it is a small one and a nice feature. I'd love to run my email on BSD or Solaris, rather than Linux, but that's pretty minor as long as it runs on CentOS. But that's me, I'm the .01% here. For nearly anyone, it is going to be Linux of some flavour. Because of the "non-open" nature, I'm sure that there is a solid Windows deploy base that open solutions do not have because they are going after the "we don't want open" market as well, which open products obviously cannot go after.
We do have large SPs that run on Solaris as well as BSD taking advantage of ZFS to the fullest.
LOL, I've got plenty of opinion on ZFS as well
Not that it isn't good, I've worked with the ZFS team in fact, just that it is overused and misused way too often in the SMB.I'm intrigued that you have lots of users on those platforms, though. Very good to hear. Can you disclose... are they non-US customers? That seems a very non-American deployment strategy.
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@axigen said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@axigen said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@axigen I'm sure I could look this up but while you are here... where in Europe are you based?
we are in Bucharest, Romania, here: https://www.axigen.com/about-us/contact/
That's what I was wondering and damn... you won't believe this.... I'll be there in a few hours. Packing for the flight literally as we speak. I leave at 5:30 am for Bucharest.
Would you like to meet tomorrow ;)?
I would but I have my family with me and likely cannot. We are not planning (planning I say, for all I know we will) to stay in Bucharest. We are flying in there but en route to our new home up north. If I get stuck in town (a valid possibility) I might be able to meet.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@axigen said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Point 2: We put a lot of effort to make Axigen run on the widest platform range. Choose what fits you — from Windows to many Linux flavors , BSD, or Solaris and feel free to switch anytime.
It's more than Linux and Windows and that's important because lots of people go after those two. Being officially supported on BSD and Solaris is really nice. I'm not going to say that it is a huge benefit, but it is a small one and a nice feature. I'd love to run my email on BSD or Solaris, rather than Linux, but that's pretty minor as long as it runs on CentOS. But that's me, I'm the .01% here. For nearly anyone, it is going to be Linux of some flavour. Because of the "non-open" nature, I'm sure that there is a solid Windows deploy base that open solutions do not have because they are going after the "we don't want open" market as well, which open products obviously cannot go after.
We do have large SPs that run on Solaris as well as BSD taking advantage of ZFS to the fullest.
LOL, I've got plenty of opinion on ZFS as well
Not that it isn't good, I've worked with the ZFS team in fact, just that it is overused and misused way too often in the SMB.I'm intrigued that you have lots of users on those platforms, though. Very good to hear. Can you disclose... are they non-US customers? That seems a very non-American deployment strategy.
Let's meet face to face tomorrow over a cup of coffee and we'll chat more. How long you'll be in Bucharest?
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@axigen said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@axigen said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Point 2: We put a lot of effort to make Axigen run on the widest platform range. Choose what fits you — from Windows to many Linux flavors , BSD, or Solaris and feel free to switch anytime.
It's more than Linux and Windows and that's important because lots of people go after those two. Being officially supported on BSD and Solaris is really nice. I'm not going to say that it is a huge benefit, but it is a small one and a nice feature. I'd love to run my email on BSD or Solaris, rather than Linux, but that's pretty minor as long as it runs on CentOS. But that's me, I'm the .01% here. For nearly anyone, it is going to be Linux of some flavour. Because of the "non-open" nature, I'm sure that there is a solid Windows deploy base that open solutions do not have because they are going after the "we don't want open" market as well, which open products obviously cannot go after.
We do have large SPs that run on Solaris as well as BSD taking advantage of ZFS to the fullest.
LOL, I've got plenty of opinion on ZFS as well
Not that it isn't good, I've worked with the ZFS team in fact, just that it is overused and misused way too often in the SMB.I'm intrigued that you have lots of users on those platforms, though. Very good to hear. Can you disclose... are they non-US customers? That seems a very non-American deployment strategy.
Let's meet face to face tomorrow over a cup of coffee and we'll chat more. How long you'll be in Bucharest?
Sadly, the plan is only to get to the car and drive out. I'm relocating my family from Greece (Crete) to Transylvania tomorrow morning so I have my wife and two young kids with me as well.
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@DustinB3403 Can you setup Exchange in just a couple hours? Can you run Exchange without Active Directory?
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@aaronstuder said:
@DustinB3403 Can you setup Exchange in just a couple hours? Can you run Exchange with Active Directory?
Yes.
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@DustinB3403 without*
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I hate Word documents... so hard to copy/paste here...
Point 3: Summarizing is that the web interface just rocks.
This is a hard one to quantify and would need to be played around with. This was Zimbra's point against Exchange a decade ago, their web client was better (according to everyone I knew and even eWeek) than Outlook's fat client. Has Zimbra kept up? No. Is it bad, no. It is pretty good. But there is a lot of room for someone like Axigen to make a vastly superior web client experience here. This is where I would see a potential (but I have no idea yet) place for them to swoop in with value. Zimbra hasn't stopped here, but they've slowed to nearly the point of stagnation. They kind of gave up with 'good enough' and let it go for too long. Much like Exchange in other areas.
I'd be open to playing with Axigen here and seeing if this holds up.
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@aaronstuder said:
@DustinB3403 Can you setup Exchange in just a couple hours? Can you run Exchange without Active Directory?
Without AD no, at least not easily. (nor have I ever seen anyone try)
But then the question is why would you try to use Exchange without AD. If the target base is customers who don't have a Linux Guy, they also don't have a Windows Guy?
So then the only question is, why not use a fully hosted solution?
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@aaronstuder said:
@DustinB3403 Can you setup Exchange in just a couple hours?
Someone can, I can't.
Zimbra I can set up in about ten minutes, though. I even have a nice guide on ML on it. Beating Exchange is super easy, it's beating the Zimbras that takes work. Exchange is a rather low bar. -
Point 9: They have out of the box push.
What protocol does it use? I'm not sure. But lots of their competition don't include push, only pull, at least out of the box for free. Zimbra has push, but not in the free and open version, for example.
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Those are the points that I see not overlapping with Zimbra, at least not potentially. Of course anyone's good points are going to overlap with someone else's so that's not bad.
Basically Axigen is up against Exchange and Zimbra most of the time, maybe mDaemon sometimes. Exchange and mDaemon do supported Windows deployments but are not free. Comparing cost would be a factor there, I've not looked at the licensing costs across them to see.
Once you are "willing to leave Exchange" and stuck on Windows, Axigen seems like it hits that space hard. I know of no one that is open and in that space. But needing Windows licensing means you are in an expensive space no matter what. But lots of people are stuck there, so that makes sense. When I first asked about the value, their site made a big deal about Linux and I never saw Windows, so this was a huge part of why I was confused about why you were interested in it.
Once on Linux or willing to be on Linux, Zimbra seems to be the main competitor. Zimbra is hard to compete with simply because free, open and been around a long time do a lot to get you a lot of ground quickly. But being free, Zimbra has issues getting access to some protocols and libraries that they want to use for push messaging. This is a much harder to compete in space, but appears to be far less of the target audience, but the website made it look like this was where they were aiming.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I hate Word documents... so hard to copy/paste here...
Point 3: Summarizing is that the web interface just rocks.
This is a hard one to quantify and would need to be played around with. This was Zimbra's point against Exchange a decade ago, their web client was better (according to everyone I knew and even eWeek) than Outlook's fat client. Has Zimbra kept up? No. Is it bad, no. It is pretty good. But there is a lot of room for someone like Axigen to make a vastly superior web client experience here. This is where I would see a potential (but I have no idea yet) place for them to swoop in with value. Zimbra hasn't stopped here, but they've slowed to nearly the point of stagnation. They kind of gave up with 'good enough' and let it go for too long. Much like Exchange in other areas.
I'd be open to playing with Axigen here and seeing if this holds up.
Go to www.axigen.com and click the WebMail Demo
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@axigen said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I hate Word documents... so hard to copy/paste here...
Point 3: Summarizing is that the web interface just rocks.
This is a hard one to quantify and would need to be played around with. This was Zimbra's point against Exchange a decade ago, their web client was better (according to everyone I knew and even eWeek) than Outlook's fat client. Has Zimbra kept up? No. Is it bad, no. It is pretty good. But there is a lot of room for someone like Axigen to make a vastly superior web client experience here. This is where I would see a potential (but I have no idea yet) place for them to swoop in with value. Zimbra hasn't stopped here, but they've slowed to nearly the point of stagnation. They kind of gave up with 'good enough' and let it go for too long. Much like Exchange in other areas.
I'd be open to playing with Axigen here and seeing if this holds up.
Go to www.axigen.com and click the WebMail Demo
Oh sure, make me jump through all of these hoops....
