Analysis of Locky ransomware
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@Carnival-Boy said:
But really what it comes down to is that the more I look into O365, the more it stinks, and the more attractive sticking to old-skool volume licences and on-premise servers becomes. It doesn't matter whether I complain about it on here or keep my mouth shut, it is what it is. It's certainly not the no-brainer that you keep suggesting.
What is it about O365 that you think stinks compared to VL?
Benefits I see off the cuff:
- world class DC (HVAC/Power/air filtering/secure access/multi ISPs)
- backups
- anywhere access
- security
- single panel logon for email/ODfB/SharePoint, etc
- spam filtering
Of course you can get all of these things in a local install as well, but at what cost? At what upgrade cycle?
Picking on one aspect of O365, 50 GB of email storage per user. For my company of 88 employees, would require 4.4 TB of storage. Assuming I did a RAID 6 array for Exchange would require 5x 2 TB drives, $600/drive MSRP = $3000.Assuming this server lasts me 5 years, that's $0.57/person/month.
I currently pay $1.25/person/month for spam/virus filtering.
You start adding all this nickle and dime stuff up and you quickly come over $4/person/month just for hosted exchange. You add in the other benefits of Business edition at $5/person/month - that becomes a non brainer. Getting to E1 is definitely more challenging at $8/person/month for mainly the same features as Business edition - but the potential real win is $20/person/month with E3, assuming you need full local office.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@Dashrender said:
SMB's might account for half the population, but I be it accounts for less than 30% of the money spent, and it's probably under 20%. SMBs are historically cheap - unwilling to spend money on solutions, where large companies know they need to spend money to make money - spend wisely, but still spend.
Where do you get that idea from? It's not been my experience. I've worked for large and medium sized companies and have never seen much difference. I supposed SMBs can find it harder to access credit, so have less money for investment.
I have friends who work in fortune 1000 companies, they spend 10's of millions a year in IT. I work for a SMB of 88 people, not counting my salary, we've spent on average around $10,000 a year (counting buying new PCs, servers, switches, etc).
And when I ran a tiny consulting shop... I had places that would spend next to nothing unless they absolutely had to because something died, etc. It was crazy that they would be willing to pay my fee instead of buying a new PC at times.
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@Dashrender said:
What is it about O365 that you think stinks compared to VL?
I just think it stinks. Not O365 in general, but the Business plan. It might be better than VL but it's not the no-brainer some would have me believe.
"You want to use Group Policy? Sorry, you can't"
"You want to run standalone Access? Sorry, you can't"
And that's just this week! I worry what else I can't do (and aren't allowed to complain about), since you don't find out about these things until you try and use them.It's tempting to forget about the Business plans and work on the basis that E3 is the only solution.
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The Access thing I personally have less of an issue with, but the no GPOs for Business plan O365 - yeah that is BS!
I don't know if you need to jump directly to the E3 plan - do you really need local office for everyone?
we have around 20 people who edit Excel files on a regular basis, but the online version will do everything they need. Assuming we can get the files into SharePoint easy enough - teach the users how to use it, that would be all they would need.
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Well, if it was up to me I'd just use Google Apps. I'd miss Excel and to a lesser extent Outlook and Access, but I'd be get used to it. I think most of the people I work with who are under the age of 30 would feel the same.
It's the oldies that would struggle.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Well, if it was up to me I'd just use Google Apps. I'd miss Excel and to a lesser extent Outlook and Access, but I'd be get used to it. I think most of the people I work with who are under the age of 30 would feel the same.
Since wiping my machine and starting fresh last week, I've been trying to toll with LibreOffice and OWA.
What you said is true. Its fine, it's just you have to get used to it.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Well, if it was up to me I'd just use Google Apps. I'd miss Excel and to a lesser extent Outlook and Access, but I'd be get used to it. I think most of the people I work with who are under the age of 30 would feel the same.
It's the oldies that would struggle.
That's still not free - but if you're willing to deal with Google Docs, what's wrong with O365 Business non local install? They are a tit for tat, more or less. And the nice thing about O365, MS is continuing to work on Online Office to add greater and greater capabilities.
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@Dashrender said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
Well, if it was up to me I'd just use Google Apps. I'd miss Excel and to a lesser extent Outlook and Access, but I'd be get used to it. I think most of the people I work with who are under the age of 30 would feel the same.
It's the oldies that would struggle.
That's still not free - but if you're willing to deal with Google Docs, what's wrong with O365 Business non local install? They are a tit for tat, more or less. And the nice thing about O365, MS is continuing to work on Online Office to add greater and greater capabilities.
What is O365 not capable of doing that a local install is?
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@Dashrender said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
Well, if it was up to me I'd just use Google Apps. I'd miss Excel and to a lesser extent Outlook and Access, but I'd be get used to it. I think most of the people I work with who are under the age of 30 would feel the same.
It's the oldies that would struggle.
That's still not free - but if you're willing to deal with Google Docs, what's wrong with O365 Business non local install? They are a tit for tat, more or less. And the nice thing about O365, MS is continuing to work on Online Office to add greater and greater capabilities.
Zoho can be free depending on the number of people.
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@johnhooks
Zoho is free for 25 users for file storage only - you don't get email until you get to the $8/u/m plan.
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You do according to this
https://www.zoho.com/mail/zohomail-pricing.html?
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Interesting, not according to this
https://www.zoho.com/docs/zoho-docs-pricing.html
I got there by clicking on docs under Email and collaboration
Then pricing at the top.
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@wirestyle22 said:
@Dashrender said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
Well, if it was up to me I'd just use Google Apps. I'd miss Excel and to a lesser extent Outlook and Access, but I'd be get used to it. I think most of the people I work with who are under the age of 30 would feel the same.
It's the oldies that would struggle.
That's still not free - but if you're willing to deal with Google Docs, what's wrong with O365 Business non local install? They are a tit for tat, more or less. And the nice thing about O365, MS is continuing to work on Online Office to add greater and greater capabilities.
What is O365 not capable of doing that a local install is?
O365 is a local install. O365 does not imply "non-local" in any way.
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@Dashrender said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
Well, if it was up to me I'd just use Google Apps. I'd miss Excel and to a lesser extent Outlook and Access, but I'd be get used to it. I think most of the people I work with who are under the age of 30 would feel the same.
It's the oldies that would struggle.
That's still not free - but if you're willing to deal with Google Docs, what's wrong with O365 Business non local install? They are a tit for tat, more or less. And the nice thing about O365, MS is continuing to work on Online Office to add greater and greater capabilities.
Yeah... they both suck. LOL
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Well, if it was up to me I'd just use Google Apps. I'd miss Excel and to a lesser extent Outlook and Access, but I'd be get used to it. I think most of the people I work with who are under the age of 30 would feel the same.
It's the oldies that would struggle.
Well that shows my age. I'm impressed with how well they work for what they are, but I totally dislike them. I like LibreOffice and Calligra best and MS Office after that, but all three I like local install way better. Not that I need it, but I prefer the feel of it.
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If I could, I would move us all to Linux workstations. The length of time it takes to restore a file server because one user got a share encrypted (possibly due to security not being tight enough, my fault there), way too much time. Haven't gotten hit with any yet, in two networks, but I have OCD when it comes to security (or I'm just lucky... I'll go with lucky and eat my humble pie).
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I'll Agree with Scott there - local install feels better. I should try making some pivot tables and other things I do in online Excel just to see if it covers the majority of what I need.
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@BBigford said:
If I could, I would move us all to Linux workstations. The length of time it takes to restore a file server because one user got a share encrypted (possibly due to security not being tight enough, my fault there), way too much time. Haven't gotten hit with any yet, in two networks, but I have OCD when it comes to security (or I'm just lucky... I'll go with lucky and eat my humble pie).
While there isn't so much risk on Linux, it will come. I am totally for going to Linux desktops, trust me. But the REAL solution here isn't Linux, it's not using network shares. That's the actual point of risk, not Windows.
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@BBigford said:
If I could, I would move us all to Linux workstations. The length of time it takes to restore a file server because one user got a share encrypted (possibly due to security not being tight enough, my fault there), way too much time. Haven't gotten hit with any yet, in two networks, but I have OCD when it comes to security (or I'm just lucky... I'll go with lucky and eat my humble pie).
You don't need linux to solve that - and it wouldn't really solve it either. You'd have security through obscurity. If you were using open NFS shares instead of SMB/CIFS shares you'd be in the same boat. A linux user downloads cryptoware from a drive by website - it runs as the user, the user has access to the NFS, bam - all files they have write access to encrypted.
If you really want to solve that problem, you need to move to the LANless design with something like SharePoint or ownCloud.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BBigford said:
If I could, I would move us all to Linux workstations. The length of time it takes to restore a file server because one user got a share encrypted (possibly due to security not being tight enough, my fault there), way too much time. Haven't gotten hit with any yet, in two networks, but I have OCD when it comes to security (or I'm just lucky... I'll go with lucky and eat my humble pie).
While there isn't so much risk on Linux, it will come. I am totally for going to Linux desktops, trust me. But the REAL solution here isn't Linux, it's not using network shares. That's the actual point of risk, not Windows.
Damn, Scott beat me to it.
