External Drive Raid

Jason

Have you looked at the Drobo options? RAID 6 on those with SSD tiering option.

To pricey when they hold enough drives.. unless Drobo wants to give me one.

Dashrender

Yeah - it's funny - "drives are cheap, drives are cheap" I hear all the time, and so often, the drive subsystem is 2-3 times the cost of the computational and RAM portions. Drives are definitely not cheap. And good storage arrays are not cheap either.

Jason

@Dashrender said:

Yeah - it's funny - "drives are cheap, drives are cheap" I hear all the time, and so often, the drive subsystem is 2-3 times the cost of the computational and RAM portions. Drives are definitely not cheap. And good storage arrays are not cheap either.

Drive are cheap. Raid controllers and enclosures aren't.

gjacobse

@Jason said:

@Dashrender said:

Yeah - it's funny - "drives are cheap, drives are cheap" I hear all the time, and so often, the drive subsystem is 2-3 times the cost of the computational and RAM portions. Drives are definitely not cheap. And good storage arrays are not cheap either.

Drive are cheap. Raid controllers and enclosures aren't.

Yea,.. I just put a ReadyNAS 314 online here,.. Cost kept me from really pushing the drives like I may have should. I should have gone Diskless and picked up the drives over a month. Ah well. Live/Learn/Repeat.

Jason

@gjacobse said:

@Jason said:

@Dashrender said:

Yeah - it's funny - "drives are cheap, drives are cheap" I hear all the time, and so often, the drive subsystem is 2-3 times the cost of the computational and RAM portions. Drives are definitely not cheap. And good storage arrays are not cheap either.

Drive are cheap. Raid controllers and enclosures aren't.

Yea,.. I just put a ReadyNAS 314 online here,.. Cost kept me from really pushing the drives like I may have should. I should have gone Diskless and picked up the drives over a month. Ah well. Live/Learn/Repeat.

Some day we won't need enclousres, they will just use PCIE/thunderbolt on the drives themselves then you can just chain them all together and then plug into the computer...

Edit: I should be clear Thunderbolt is PCIE that's what I put both.

Jason

spin off here: http://mangolassi.it/topic/8590/when-will-sata-be-dead

MattSpeller

If you want one that actually works nicely and "does what it says on the tin" then check out these bad boys.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108185 (Canadian link, Canadian $$$)

For cheaper you could whitebox a solution but then it'd be network only.

Edit: why not network it? I've seen you ask for local connections but no reason for it.

Jason

@MattSpeller said:

If you want one that actually works nicely and "does what it says on the tin" then check out these bad boys.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108185 (Canadian link, Canadian $$$)

For cheaper you could whitebox a solution but then it'd be network only.

Edit: why not network it? I've seen you ask for local connections but no reason for it.

Needs to be DAS. NAS isn't nearly fast enough for the data. also Macbooks are Wifi only making it worse.

scottalanmiller

@Jason said:

Needs to be DAS. NAS isn't nearly fast enough for the data. also Macbooks are Wifi only making it worse.

Thunderbolt gives them GigE.

Dashrender

@Jason said:

@MattSpeller said:

If you want one that actually works nicely and "does what it says on the tin" then check out these bad boys.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108185 (Canadian link, Canadian $$$)

For cheaper you could whitebox a solution but then it'd be network only.

Edit: why not network it? I've seen you ask for local connections but no reason for it.

Needs to be DAS. NAS isn't nearly fast enough for the data. also Macbooks are Wifi only making it worse.

What kind of connector on the DAS are you using?

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said:

@Jason said:

@MattSpeller said:

If you want one that actually works nicely and "does what it says on the tin" then check out these bad boys.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108185 (Canadian link, Canadian $$$)

For cheaper you could whitebox a solution but then it'd be network only.

Edit: why not network it? I've seen you ask for local connections but no reason for it.

Needs to be DAS. NAS isn't nearly fast enough for the data. also Macbooks are Wifi only making it worse.

What kind of connector on the DAS are you using?

He wants Thunderbolt

MattSpeller

@Jason said:

@MattSpeller said:

If you want one that actually works nicely and "does what it says on the tin" then check out these bad boys.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108185 (Canadian link, Canadian $$$)

For cheaper you could whitebox a solution but then it'd be network only.

Edit: why not network it? I've seen you ask for local connections but no reason for it.

Needs to be DAS. NAS isn't nearly fast enough for the data. also Macbooks are Wifi only making it worse.

In my experience you'll have better performance from gigabit ethernet than you will with USB3. eSATA would be better than both, but not by much. Can't speak to thunderbolt.

Jason

@MattSpeller said:

@Jason said:

@MattSpeller said:

If you want one that actually works nicely and "does what it says on the tin" then check out these bad boys.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108185 (Canadian link, Canadian $$$)

For cheaper you could whitebox a solution but then it'd be network only.

Edit: why not network it? I've seen you ask for local connections but no reason for it.

Needs to be DAS. NAS isn't nearly fast enough for the data. also Macbooks are Wifi only making it worse.

In my experience you'll have better performance from gigabit ethernet than you will with USB3. eSATA would be better than both, but not by much. Can't speak to thunderbolt.

You must have a bad USB3 controller then Gigabit throubhput is way less than USB3

scottalanmiller

@MattSpeller said:

@Jason said:

@MattSpeller said:

If you want one that actually works nicely and "does what it says on the tin" then check out these bad boys.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108185 (Canadian link, Canadian $$$)

For cheaper you could whitebox a solution but then it'd be network only.

Edit: why not network it? I've seen you ask for local connections but no reason for it.

Needs to be DAS. NAS isn't nearly fast enough for the data. also Macbooks are Wifi only making it worse.

In my experience you'll have better performance from gigabit ethernet than you will with USB3. eSATA would be better than both, but not by much. Can't speak to thunderbolt.

GigE can easily be carried over USB3. USB3 is much faster... lower latency, higher throughput.

scottalanmiller

@Jason said:

@MattSpeller said:

@Jason said:

@MattSpeller said:

If you want one that actually works nicely and "does what it says on the tin" then check out these bad boys.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108185 (Canadian link, Canadian $$$)

For cheaper you could whitebox a solution but then it'd be network only.

Edit: why not network it? I've seen you ask for local connections but no reason for it.

Needs to be DAS. NAS isn't nearly fast enough for the data. also Macbooks are Wifi only making it worse.

In my experience you'll have better performance from gigabit ethernet than you will with USB3. eSATA would be better than both, but not by much. Can't speak to thunderbolt.

You must have a bad USB3 controller then Gigabit throubhput is way less than USB3

Only 20% of it!

MattSpeller

@Jason said:

@MattSpeller said:

@Jason said:

@MattSpeller said:

If you want one that actually works nicely and "does what it says on the tin" then check out these bad boys.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108185 (Canadian link, Canadian $$$)

For cheaper you could whitebox a solution but then it'd be network only.

Edit: why not network it? I've seen you ask for local connections but no reason for it.

Needs to be DAS. NAS isn't nearly fast enough for the data. also Macbooks are Wifi only making it worse.

In my experience you'll have better performance from gigabit ethernet than you will with USB3. eSATA would be better than both, but not by much. Can't speak to thunderbolt.

You must have a bad USB3 controller then Gigabit throubhput is way less than USB3

¯\(ツ)/¯

Possible, the USB3 stuff we have is old

Dashrender

@MattSpeller said:

@Jason said:

@MattSpeller said:

If you want one that actually works nicely and "does what it says on the tin" then check out these bad boys.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108185 (Canadian link, Canadian $$$)

For cheaper you could whitebox a solution but then it'd be network only.

Edit: why not network it? I've seen you ask for local connections but no reason for it.

Needs to be DAS. NAS isn't nearly fast enough for the data. also Macbooks are Wifi only making it worse.

In my experience you'll have better performance from gigabit ethernet than you will with USB3. eSATA would be better than both, but not by much. Can't speak to thunderbolt.

Exactly what I was thinking... he thumbed his nose at NAS - I was assuming a 1 Gbe connection - I suppose if you really need the slight edge eSATA can provide.. fine.. or thunderbolt assuming it's even faster.. but damn.. I've been pretty happy with 1 Gbe as long as the controller in the NAS is decent.

scottalanmiller

What are you running over it that would test the speed at all? The thing that I find with USB3 is that I never have anything to hook to it that can use the speed so it is all wasted.

Jason

@Dashrender said:

@MattSpeller said:

@Jason said:

@MattSpeller said:

If you want one that actually works nicely and "does what it says on the tin" then check out these bad boys.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108185 (Canadian link, Canadian $$$)

For cheaper you could whitebox a solution but then it'd be network only.

Edit: why not network it? I've seen you ask for local connections but no reason for it.

Needs to be DAS. NAS isn't nearly fast enough for the data. also Macbooks are Wifi only making it worse.

In my experience you'll have better performance from gigabit ethernet than you will with USB3. eSATA would be better than both, but not by much. Can't speak to thunderbolt.

Exactly what I was thinking... he thumbed his nose at NAS - I was assuming a 1 Gbe connection - I suppose if you really need the slight edge eSATA can provide.. fine.. or thunderbolt assuming it's even faster.. but damn.. I've been pretty happy with 1 Gbe as long as the controller in the NAS is decent.

Gigabit Can't handle RAW 4k-8k Video files haha

Dashrender

@Jason said:

@Dashrender said:

@MattSpeller said:

@Jason said:

@MattSpeller said:

If you want one that actually works nicely and "does what it says on the tin" then check out these bad boys.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108185 (Canadian link, Canadian $$$)

For cheaper you could whitebox a solution but then it'd be network only.

Edit: why not network it? I've seen you ask for local connections but no reason for it.

Needs to be DAS. NAS isn't nearly fast enough for the data. also Macbooks are Wifi only making it worse.

In my experience you'll have better performance from gigabit ethernet than you will with USB3. eSATA would be better than both, but not by much. Can't speak to thunderbolt.

Exactly what I was thinking... he thumbed his nose at NAS - I was assuming a 1 Gbe connection - I suppose if you really need the slight edge eSATA can provide.. fine.. or thunderbolt assuming it's even faster.. but damn.. I've been pretty happy with 1 Gbe as long as the controller in the NAS is decent.

Gigabit Can't handle RAW 4k-8k Video files haha

Serious question, what can? What do you need bandwidth wise for that? 2 Gb? 10 Gb?

While sure people like Scott want to do this crazy 4/8K video stuff, that's either a maxed out prosumer thing, or clearly mid class business stuff, and you should be through some real capital at solving that problem, not chump change.