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    Virtualization Build - Punch holes in this build please

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    • MattSpellerM
      MattSpeller @Alex Sage
      last edited by

      @anonymous said:

      This seems very costly to me. Are you using xByte? Have to look at a R720, or R710?

      As SAM mentioned there's almost $5k of SSD in there, plus it's pretty new gear. Brand new from Dell I shudder to think of what that would run you.

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403
        last edited by

        The same thing could be said for what if the server dies, that I should diversify my server fleet.

        To avoid issues such as firmware bugs etc.

        Warranties are to protect the equipment and of course the warranty could be reduced for the second system.

        But its the warranty to protect the equipment for the usable life.

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        • MattSpellerM
          MattSpeller @Alex Sage
          last edited by

          @anonymous said:

          @DustinB3403

          Dell Warranty & Onsite Service (Exclusive Offer) (3 Year Dell ProSupport 4HR 7x24 Onsite: Non Mission Critical)
          Server no drives
          ($10,156+/Each)

          Why do you need such a costly warranty? Isn't the point of having 2 hosts that you only need 1 running at a given time?

          I think that's got some confusing numbers in it, my math says that $10k is about what the server would run without SSD

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          • dafyreD
            dafyre @MattSpeller
            last edited by

            @MattSpeller said:

            @anonymous said:

            @DustinB3403

            Dell Warranty & Onsite Service (Exclusive Offer) (3 Year Dell ProSupport 4HR 7x24 Onsite: Non Mission Critical)
            Server no drives
            ($10,156+/Each)

            Why do you need such a costly warranty? Isn't the point of having 2 hosts that you only need 1 running at a given time?

            I think that's got some confusing numbers in it, my math says that $10k is about what the server would run without SSD

            This 10K price tag is for the Servers AND the 3 year Warranty, right?

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            • MattSpellerM
              MattSpeller @dafyre
              last edited by

              @dafyre said:

              @MattSpeller said:

              @anonymous said:

              @DustinB3403

              Dell Warranty & Onsite Service (Exclusive Offer) (3 Year Dell ProSupport 4HR 7x24 Onsite: Non Mission Critical)
              Server no drives
              ($10,156+/Each)

              Why do you need such a costly warranty? Isn't the point of having 2 hosts that you only need 1 running at a given time?

              I think that's got some confusing numbers in it, my math says that $10k is about what the server would run without SSD

              This 10K price tag is for the Servers AND the 3 year Warranty, right?

              Must be because that's waaaaaaaaaaay too much for a warranty.

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              • DustinB3403D
                DustinB3403
                last edited by DustinB3403

                Sorry there were some math errors in there as well.

                Price updated to reflect list price. (I was updating an old written estimate)

                Sorry!

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403 @dafyre
                  last edited by

                  @dafyre yes.

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @MattSpeller
                    last edited by

                    @MattSpeller said:

                    @dafyre said:

                    @MattSpeller said:

                    @anonymous said:

                    @DustinB3403

                    Dell Warranty & Onsite Service (Exclusive Offer) (3 Year Dell ProSupport 4HR 7x24 Onsite: Non Mission Critical)
                    Server no drives
                    ($10,156+/Each)

                    Why do you need such a costly warranty? Isn't the point of having 2 hosts that you only need 1 running at a given time?

                    I think that's got some confusing numbers in it, my math says that $10k is about what the server would run without SSD

                    This 10K price tag is for the Servers AND the 3 year Warranty, right?

                    Must be because that's waaaaaaaaaaay too much for a warranty.

                    unless the hardware is free? lol

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender
                      last edited by

                      Ouch a 20% increase.

                      I have to agree with the ask.. .do you need 24 cores? Would 12 be enough?

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        @DustinB3403 said:

                        The same thing could be said for what if the server dies, that I should diversify my server fleet.

                        That's not how it is handled in the real world. Even the most demanding environments use matched hardware. You don't avoid buying two of the same car model to diversify hardware, right? Issues are either obvious or don't affect you simultaneously. Going to a different vendor randomizes in such a way that it puts you in more risk rather than less.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                          last edited by

                          @DustinB3403 said:

                          To avoid issues such as firmware bugs etc.

                          Better to just stagger installs. That's what big firms with very critical workloads do.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                            last edited by

                            @DustinB3403 said:

                            Warranties are to protect the equipment and of course the warranty could be reduced for the second system.

                            But its the warranty to protect the equipment for the usable life.

                            His question is... why pay for such a fast response when you have a failover system to keep you running?

                            If Dell can get you repaired in just over four hours, what justifies the cost of the second physical server and all of the Windows licensing necessary to use it when you will be back up shortly?

                            Why four hour and not next business day, for example?

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                              last edited by

                              @Dashrender said:

                              Ouch a 20% increase.

                              I have to agree with the ask.. .do you need 24 cores? Would 12 be enough?

                              Or six?

                              Generally SMBs need only for to six cores on Intel Xeons and even that is often hardly utilized.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller
                                last edited by

                                That price bump makes looking at other solution types that much more attractive, that is a lot of the buffer room removed.

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                                • JaredBuschJ
                                  JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  @scottalanmiller said:

                                  That price bump makes looking at other solution types that much more attractive, that is a lot of the buffer room removed.

                                  Yeah, at $36k for the hardware, you can pretty much get 2 scale units one for on site and one for off.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @JaredBusch
                                    last edited by

                                    @JaredBusch said:

                                    @scottalanmiller said:

                                    That price bump makes looking at other solution types that much more attractive, that is a lot of the buffer room removed.

                                    Yeah, at $36k for the hardware, you can pretty much get 2 scale units one for on site and one for off.

                                    LOL you missed a comma - at first glance it appears that you are suggesting he can get three Scale units 😉

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                                    • JaredBuschJ
                                      JaredBusch @Dashrender
                                      last edited by

                                      @Dashrender said:

                                      @JaredBusch said:

                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      That price bump makes looking at other solution types that much more attractive, that is a lot of the buffer room removed.

                                      Yeah, at $36k for the hardware, you can pretty much get 2 scale units one for on site and one for off.

                                      LOL you missed a comma - at first glance it appears that you are suggesting he can get three Scale units 😉

                                      Oops

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller
                                        last edited by

                                        What is the latest on this one?

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403
                                          last edited by

                                          Gonna end up ordering today I believe. Just gotta get a hold of @BradfromxByte

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller
                                            last edited by

                                            Wow, good timing then 🙂

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